From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D425C3B2A4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [31.4.205.104]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E7D608C0DB2 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:15:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1665756950; bh=JQmz52pIl4mVsu1o+4pnGp5XmpTe3DdmRC8j1nBE2Rs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=GvhzWr6M/DKYNOqVLzsbAiCjmH40Zj877DB6jksED9Qy6sDoZRdlBLSKKgQ491nd9 YgrH9skV/DDSqqkmWlYsqN4YcXSsNpVatiWULZBWQVNm9sez8FbABdgUiu02emZeGb a2jcqEe2fkmYDHbgG/u/s0vhi/CnERJXJP6zAE4902B+as8Tc3m6Qc8sp8XXueNFF7 ABi9uXlI1KsqFsGKcAqkdntKqomLNWWTHu2Ki1LFL5FuEx1yaDhexiq1NI6DDYJ9iE gv8Zf1sjefOFAK9cmNbJjvfVuWbLnMAGCzJGqXv475ouZbuSg0o4LVoyHVVW4/8wZw 4FBR8WHZ1Ke9g== Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 16:15:19 +0200 From: Mike Puchol To: Starlink list Cc: Starlink list Message-ID: <3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark> In-Reply-To: <87tu46o8e3.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> <38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark> <87tu46o8e3.wl-jch@irif.fr> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="63496f0e_7c83e458_4fa9" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:15:52 -0000 --63496f0e_7c83e458_4fa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline We saw this in slums in Kenya. They are used to dozens of NGOs coming and= going every year, usually lasting only as much as their donor/grant mone= y. When we launched a commercial Wi=46i service, we had to make a huge ef= fort to convince people they actually had to pay for the service, and tha= t we were there to stay, not just another NGO offering free stuff. In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the e= xpectation that it=E2=80=99s a =E2=80=9Cfreemium=E2=80=9D model, it=E2=80= =99s very hard to get out of it. If you then claim your costs are way hig= her than what analysis work out, eyebrows raise way above the hairline. Best, Mike On Oct 14, 2022 at 15:13 +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek , wrote= : > > SpaceX was too generous early on and set expectations, and now seems = to > > be moving to the other side of the spectrum in terms of their costs, > > with figures that seem, on the surface, unrealistic. > > Could you please explain this last point=3F > > -- Juliusz --63496f0e_7c83e458_4fa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
We saw this in slums in Kenya. They are used to doz= ens of NGOs coming and going every year, usually lasting only as much as = their donor/grant money. When we launched a commercial Wi=46i service, we= had to make a huge effort to convince people they actually had to pay fo= r the service, and that we were there to stay, not just another NGO offer= ing free stuff.&=23160;

In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the e= xpectation that it=E2=80=99s a =E2=80=9Cfreemium=E2=80=9D model, it=E2=80= =99s very hard to get out of it. If you then claim your costs are way hig= her than what analysis work out, eyebrows raise way above the hairline.

Best,

Mike
On Oct 14, 2022 at 15:13 +0200, Jul= iusz Chroboczek <jch=40irif.fr>, wrote:
SpaceX was too generous early on and set ex= pectations, and now seems to
be moving to the other side of the spectrum in terms of their costs,
with figures that seem, on the surface, unrealistic.

Could you please explain this last point=3F

-- Juliusz
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