From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 045513B2A4; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 03:14:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1695885268; x=1696490068; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=ZOstI7iMvBThrSFPHnqAFKBPVZThtYLHKp5radLEhcU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=ePV86YRUwBgFzNrY04AUZXrk9Yj0yG8c9BwdoIBs/t3+xQGM4i7Twud6ZAYNjROTd+C+dSPqW1E 1ozwF17WJ5R3DcKK1KNv4cNRBrLkx32vzNICkAUlkB1Ba8JYP72EjzL9MsMO1BsKaWoEEV9AE3byw ZgXOkSoLWiNYLln5Vi0KyUEm1ORTVM1kkHaMT35uFFaX7J2nTCevu26gVthv+2WLETVqHCL8gstKi bb+gUDy/d+v1RmSDr6M1Fnll5bDAATIq9GodMrYTuWZt5OlB6kgipA4Vv78vTs0QblnO5KfPZseJq La6va2PzUCYTDOQZK+aN9l83z46beJqh29qg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N49lD-1rlFgL2AS1-0102gg; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:14:28 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:14:27 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , Jamal Hadi Salim , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <406472BC-B50D-48C6-B20E-4394EB198B6D@gmx.de> References: To: Gert Doering X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3+BZ29xxVNMXNDptEyL6Lxb5y5jo36Wa6lXAVRvuI3MzvVlCJin 27J7AlsowIYRwggArS4XWrX3oTixfqPaP1XYZzWP+AW3HP98niWjCQkzHpBh18EZ5MBv6u5 7MhI7SRzOrmCzuOLQoCURFGtOuxd7q8MUbH9yNFI8y26inzc3SeCjCiMJxei+qnMu0U4w3f DpeUGO/a0tcTq9Nf55NHA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:/YRZeFa6TaA=;ndLCo4AfDvs/yeGFYl4MBZ6mVDI jRfim/VIZJ/UwOYGjj1F7vz2uc5ZoPntygy+7KZgnnpCHZeB9YW+KdNWE2dOEdVLUhHJUntbM U5YcUYl3Uf/u5G9XeJzaGh96A68pBUsuQmjDgLSuTxmgFzPCfnwmkf3Z0NwqmVopDacNB+qFS thgvDhRhSlIrWq064GjMwjCj7bQT7UXZvPtS7AFf9trLjFHNWajVTStlWNlcmCz9fgSvYXvcY r2y0qpTbB4wxGeRrSVltlvKfoyowLgukRa5WlO56Bl/xZMNaNg5jRUl/F1gsMZDtFkveW3/LE sTLYNwSpCqO5ciPP+Rr7o+NssZGdTGhny8dDMAqkqqQ4la2rvust+R/JxR711MlLyf4XS63Jc B2QVYhDypdylGfxbcgnaFVG5IFUdDutYZ5SAYzdCLNzCPbssu/u987FzU1dHIXgceN4a6RhM5 Cqutkf8KxSAiYf9tdLB1sd+uY/qCJJHPv24nzdSC7ZkE+oXDOGYK6AHKf3+LeRKCrcs1LBPfy 9+9h28s05hgbJ9OCoF5VhA6skBryMsK/Y/TYNspvjFYxF106pmWv91vKjCHsb+x7IoYE8Gj83 AFjlz/ePbO7MM9/z60xVrx0hrz7WSjY4paAYAFQp4FTKlaiJyNUkm8MM6izHkkWwdeHLg6dBj Y8XiWR0h1s6nmmCRWu7R7FiEL5qoKgInKs87GQdxYsrkK/59alQfmjjOe1beGX6H7ixERLWGk NA/ABUPyXobnb1ajuFXtjrn89/0wsXYDNuUGKlxGUF4ZdQNJzCC1SURCOfVcat/JlMoRJ/7/M TOQnMyyNu4SWAbco2EE1+/OgEogRpfxGesmM7uKwJrBcBLhou/zGCeWcy7H2HvVpbw6YXkmJS /Ur1KgPgOBfMgkwdwaUWXs/xvO+t2z9obcYf+JfcpVTg8WpVPsQSbxa6ZOVMWizcCtBVBqVHs 25+8++Vg93eAhmjDLAMvqjA+sF0= Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:14:31 -0000 Hi Gert, > On Sep 28, 2023, at 08:36, Gert Doering wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Sebastian Moeller via = Starlink wrote: >> ***) Strictly speaking IPv6 is required, since "internet access" >> is defined as reaching all of the internet (as far as in the ISPs >> power) and IPv6-only sites are not reachable for the CG-NAT-only >> customers. But so far the local regulator does not seem to enforce >> that requirement, or hopefully is working on this quietly behind >> the curtains. >=20 > I still maintain that a better google ranking for "content with IPv6" > would bring us 90%+ IPv6 availability on the content side in a very > short time (look at the craziness some of these SEOs are willing to > endure, just to get a better ranking)... [SM] This is pretty convincing, especially given your = perspective (I only view these things from my pure end-user vantage = point). > (For Germany, I do not see the lone acces ISP without IPv6 as "the = most > sore spot", as most of the large ISPs and all of the mobile carriers=20= > include IPv6 nowadays - but content is still lacking) [SM] Has Vodafone started using IPv6 for their DSL-users yet*? = About the content that is an interesting question, I will try to measure = in my home network what IPv4/IPv6 traffic ration I actually see. Regards Sebastian *) According to = https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/203020/umfrage/anzahl-der-d= sl-kunden-von-vodafone-in-deutschland/ Vodafone Germany had around 2.5 = Million DSL customers end on 2022 this is not a lot (there are roughly = 40 Million access links in Germany) but it is also not "nothing". >=20 > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > --=20 > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? >=20 > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, = Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. = Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279