From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lang.hm; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (wsip-70-167-213-146.ph.ph.cox.net [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 253BEA69FEF for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2025 00:33:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.2.2.53] (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EF8212F17; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 15:33:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 16:33:45 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: Michael Kan cc: David Lang , Michael Richardson , Inemesit Affia , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <554694qo-477p-2915-48qs-qq8qr3413941@ynat.uz> References: <00q8p152-5449-s323-7s0o-939sorop5o09@ynat.uz> <5c567cea-c078-4bb7-8ec5-736ed9b4ddd0@gmail.com> <3p3n0491-n2r6-0590-84ss-2p7n1o2145n0@ynat.uz> <6e38e498-ef47-4706-9d33-06e0b28bc3b1@gmail.com> <5098.1765221714@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <2609.1765228007@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <64n86r2n-qo8s-45or-36rr-9rrs41ors45p@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: 57LKRIYZJIBEOCWFETWW2B3E4Z5DMZCN X-Message-ID-Hash: 57LKRIYZJIBEOCWFETWW2B3E4Z5DMZCN X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Amazon Leo announcing up to 1 Gbps (DOWN) and 400 Mbps (UP) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Michael Kan wrote: > latency for Amazon Leo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZCx612z930 Until they have the system operational, be very leery about bandwidth and latency claims. Remember that Starlink had to do-bloat things to make their user-experienced latency line up with their early lab tests. David Lang