Re: [Starlink] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news

["Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>]

On 9/28/23, 16:06, "Sebastian Moeller" <moeller0@gmx.de <mailto:moeller0@gmx.de>> wrote:
>> The answer ended up being a mix of more capacity, apps being more responsive to other LAN demands, and then advancements in congestion control & queuing. But there were many customers who were basically self-congesting w/P2P and VoIP running in their home. 

> [SM] So is it fair to say that the problam was also caused by a rapidly change in usage profiles or was that the smaller problem, if at all a problem?

It was certainly a problem. Like I said, a combination of factors. Certainly though, P2P (and it's associated aggressive underlying protocol) was huge - estimated at 70% of traffic volume in 2006. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2017/06/01/the-long-slow-decline-of-bittorrent/

Side note - a lot of IETF work flowed from the P2P workshop the IETF held in response to all this, including new WGs - LEDBAT, ALTO, CDNI.

JL

PS - some of the P2P workshop papers would be interesting to read again if we could find them:

[1] Nick Weaver - The case for "Ugly Now" User Fairness

[2] Paul Jessop - Position paper of the RIAA

[3] Nikloaos Laotaris, Pablo Rodriguez, Laurent Massoulie - ECHOES:
Edge Capacity Hosting Overlays of Nano Data Centers

[4] Bruce Davie, Stefano Previdi, Jan Medved, Albert Tian - Peer
Selection Guidance

[5] Marie-Jose Montpetit - Community Networks: getting P2P out of prison
- the next steps

[6] D. Bryan, S. Dawkins, B. Lowekamp, E. Shim - Infrastructure-related
Attributes of App Scenarios for P2PSIP

[7] Jiang XingFeng - Analysis of the Service Discovery in DHT network

[8] R. Penno - P2P Status and Requirements

[9] Patrick Crowley and Shakir James - Symbiotic P2P: Resolving the
conflict between ISPs and BitTorrent through mutual cooperation

[10] Robb Topolski  - Framing Peer to Peer File Sharing

[11] M. Stiemerling, S. Niccolini, S. Kiesel, J. Seedorf - A Network
Cooperative Overlay System

[12] Y. Wang, S. Tan, R. Grove - Traffic Localization with Multi-Layer,
Tracker-Based Peer-to-Peer Content Distribution Architecture

[13] Haiyong Xie, Y. Richard Yang, Avi Silberschatz, Arvind
Krishnamurthy, Laird Popkin - P4P: Provider Portal for P2P Applications

[14] Michael Merritt, Doug Pasko, Laird Popkin - Network-Friendly
Peer-to-Peer Services

[15] Camiant (Jackson) - Camiant Submission

[16] Jason Livingood, Rich Woundy - Comcast Submission

[17] Benny Rodrig - Enterprise IP Networks and the P2P Traffic Load
Impact

[18] Ted Hardie - Peer-to-Peer traffic and "Unattended Consequences"

[19] Jiang XingFeng, Ning Zong - Content Replication for Internet P2P
Applications

[20] Sandvine (Dundas) - Analysis of Traffic Demographics in Broadbank
networks

[21] Sandvine (Dundas) - Traffic  Management in a World with Network
Neutrality

[22] Stanislav Shalunov - Users want P2P, we make it work

[23] R. Cuevas, A. Cuevas, I. Martinez-Yelmo, C. Guerrero - Internet
scale mobility service: a case study on building a DHT based service for
ISPs

[24] M. Barnes, B. McCormick - Peer to Peer Infrastructure
Considerations

[25] Henning Schulzrinne - Encouraging Bandwidth Efficiency for
Peer-to-Peer Applications

[26] Damien Saucez, Benoit Donnet, Olivier Bonaventure, Dimitri
Papdimitriou - Towards an Open Path Selection Architecture

[27] Eric Rescorla - Notes on P2P Blocking and Evasion

[28] Vinay Aggrawal, Anja Feldmann - ISP-Aided Neighbor Selection in P2P
Systems

[29] Enrico Marocco, Vijay K. Gurbani, Volker Hilt, Ivica Rimac, Marco
Tomsu - Peer-to-Peer Infrastructure: A Survey of Research on the
Application-Layer Traffic Optimization Problem and the Need for Layer
Cooperation

[30] Tony Moncaster, Bob Briscoe, Louise Burness - Is There a Problem
With Peer-to-peer Traffic?

[31] David Sohn, Alissa Cooper - Peer-to-Peer Infrastructure
Considerations

[32] Bob Briscoe, Lou Burness, Tony Moncaster, Phil Eardley - Solving
this traffic management problem... and the next, and the next