From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 437313B2A4 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-1.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-1.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [31.4.243.57]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AC698C1BA1; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 06:23:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1624602234; bh=l3MFXDjNygS461PTPKDt/ZWWWKNAMNVQmPQ6SVCYaU0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=rbY9KvPgAHXPzXwj37PIfhjF0qBYU6fDCBPRS6gLxS3ZP/3GqxHjbm+qrMJmSraU4 ZnxaF9RNCIubST/EbDUJuJlX3VNpuhRc+zK5If/ePxkat8/z3FKRmN67UXTIN4kJkD GVonuLMITfBn/fqYdLgD+fAvPuzmweQKoZ2HxcIwACk4darPGbUMGzGW+Ev5PXOdHr sxSij6acsxgVww42+4LKFhanbzIVd1ZdvtP69IMwk3sFzKEKJjV2WTf4jXe2BU9j9P 1v0QTjWgehpwsCG6TaOaIFz3xnGK4v5e7rJFirSUnCAxZTz6ulotqGxKs007wwJa3o 6IWJd0/fWHFmA== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:23:41 +0200 From: Mike Puchol To: Daniel AJ Sokolov , Nathan Owens Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <592723f5-ff1e-4118-9f83-22c046023101@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: <4XxOdTE7SSKV1PSkdhm_Ng@geopod-ismtpd-3-0> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 592723f5-ff1e-4118-9f83-22c046023101@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="60d57672_7c83e458_acdb" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] ordered my dishy!! X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 06:23:55 -0000 --60d57672_7c83e458_acdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In terms of power usage, most of it is used to drive the phased array, in= terms of each individual IC in the array, plus the computational side of= determining what each element should be doing, at very high frequency. T= he terminal consumes more power in receive mode than transmit, funnily en= ough - because it needs to do more =E2=80=9Cdriving=E2=80=9D in order to = create a receive spot beam. The only way to truly save power would be to decrease the duty cycles, es= sentially, place Dishy in =E2=80=9Csleep=E2=80=9D mode for a period of ti= me each slot. Best, Mike On Jun 25, 2021, 4:32 AM +0200, Nathan Owens , wrote:= > That seems like a pretty good deal, only a small additional price (+5% = to the service price) to pay for the ability to get high speed, (mostly) = low latency connection where previously not possible. I think it=E2=80=99= s pretty impressive they got a phased array which transmits >500km down t= o 65W. > > =E2=80=94Nathan > > > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8:16 PM Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote: > > > On 2021-06-24 at 6:36 p.m., Nathan Owens wrote: > > > > The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. Might pull mor= e in snow > > > > melt mode > > > > > > That is still significant. About 600 kWh a year, which would cost m= e > > > about USD 66. > > > > > > Plus all the electricity required for snow/ice melt - of which I'll= need > > > a lot, given that I live North of 60=C2=B0. > > > > > > YMMV, depending on your cost of electricity. > > > Daniel > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > > Starlink mailing list > > > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --60d57672_7c83e458_acdb Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
In terms of power usage, most of it is used to driv= e the phased array, in terms of each individual IC in the array, plus the= computational side of determining what each element should be doing, at = very high frequency. The terminal consumes more power in receive mode tha= n transmit, funnily enough - because it needs to do more =E2=80=9Cdriving= =E2=80=9D in order to create a receive spot beam.&=23160;

The only way to truly save power would be to decrease the duty cycles, es= sentially, place Dishy in =E2=80=9Csleep=E2=80=9D mode for a period of ti= me each slot.

Best,

Mike
On Jun 25, 2021, 4:32 AM +0200, Nat= han Owens <nathan=40nathan.io>, wrote:
That seems like a pretty good deal, only a small ad= ditional price (+5% to the service price) to pay for the ability to get h= igh speed, (mostly) low latency connection where previously not possible.= I think it=E2=80=99s pretty impressive they got a phased array which tra= nsmits >500km down to 65W.&=23160;

=E2=80=94Nathan


On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8= :16 PM Daniel AJ Sokolov <daniel=40sokolov.eu.org> wrote:
On 2021-06-24 at 6:36 p.m., Nathan Owens w= rote:
> The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. Might pull more i= n snow
> melt mode

That is still significant. About 600 kWh a year, which would cost me
about USD 66.

Plus all the electricity required for snow/ice melt - of which I'll need<= br /> a lot, given that I live North of 60=C2=B0.

YMMV, depending on your cost of electricity.
Daniel

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