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From: Ulrich Speidel <ulrich@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink for Tonga?
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:09:12 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59e458f0-b335-9755-df19-aa3822ac2cf0@cs.auckland.ac.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26168q80-1s58-sq76-9p74-61r615r99no5@ynat.uz>

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Fiji's connected to the Southern Cross cable, one of the main transit 
routes between Australia and the US, running from Sydney to Oahu/Hawaii. 
Plenty of capacity for a bit of island Starlink there.

It is in fact time that the world started thinking a bit about better 
connectivity in the Pacific islands. People like David Lassner from 
UHawaii have argued this for a really long time.

It's not just because of the locals. The Pacific is where your weather 
is made and where a lot of your fish comes from. It's where things 
happen at a big scale that are interesting to watch, from stars to 
volcanic eruptions, climate and so much more. Geopolitics play out here, 
often out of view.

But it's also because of the locals. It's a fascinating cultural space, 
too. Did you know that Tongans are part of the Polynesian family, and 
Polynesians can communicate with each other in their languages from NZ 
in the southwest to Hawaii in the north and Easter Island (Rapa Nui) in 
the western Pacific? Hawaii is a ten hour flight from New Zealand, but 
they knew how to navigate back and forth between these specks of land in 
a vast ocean for many centuries. Yet many Western countries don't as 
much as mention this in their school curricula, giving instead wide 
space to the vastly more compact Mediterranean or the not-quite-as-big 
Atlantic.

Nowadays, the Pacific is the scene of one of the world's trickiest and 
most cruel digital divides. Anyone chipping away at this is welcome.

On 9/02/2022 8:12 am, David Lang wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> > What I don't quite understand is why a full-fledged ground station is
> > needed to get dropped. (in a day after they have laser links)
> >
> > A simple dishy can do 300mbit down and over 20Mbit up. using a 32k
> > codec that's quite a few voice calls, or cleared transactions.
> >
> > The difference between zero and some connectivity is quite a lot.
>
> They don't have enough laser equipped satellites to provide coverage 
> yet (Elon
> commented that providing coverage is quite hard because of the lack of 
> enough
> laser satellites right now). They don't currently do dishy-to-dishy
> communications.
>
> So, long term you are right, a new ground station there wouldn't be 
> needed (and
> adds additional load to the Fiji underwater links, not desirable in 
> the long
> term), but in the short term, it's what's needed to provide service in 
> the area.
>
> David Lang
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-09 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-07 18:50 Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-07 18:51 ` Nathan Owens
2022-02-07 19:05   ` Christian von der Ropp
2022-02-07 19:06     ` Nathan Owens
2022-02-07 20:38       ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 20:44         ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-10  7:53           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 21:18     ` Ben Greear
2022-02-07 21:24       ` David Lang
2022-02-07 21:36         ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-07 22:22           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 22:29             ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-07 23:36               ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 23:47                 ` David Lang
2022-02-08  0:20                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08  1:20                     ` David Lang
2022-02-08  4:46                       ` Inemesit Affia
2022-02-08  6:25                         ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08  7:30                           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08  7:49                             ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08  8:22                               ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08  8:47                                 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08  8:49                                   ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08  8:58                                     ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08  9:05                                       ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08  9:10                                         ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08 15:22                                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-02-08 10:11                                       ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08 13:50                                         ` Christian von der Ropp
2022-02-08 15:28                                           ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08 16:25                                             ` Dave Taht
2022-02-08 18:20                                               ` Gary E. Miller
2022-02-08 19:12                                               ` David Lang
2022-02-09 12:09                                                 ` Ulrich Speidel [this message]
2022-02-09 19:28                                               ` [Starlink] Sunburp kills 40 starlink satellites Doc Searls
2022-02-09 19:51                                                 ` Michael Richardson
2022-02-09 12:58                                   ` [Starlink] Starlink for Tonga? Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-18  5:04               ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-18  7:27                 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-18  9:01                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-04-19 11:57                     ` Mike Puchol
2022-04-19 12:06                       ` Dave Taht
2022-04-19 12:43                         ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-04-20  1:06                           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-04-20  1:14                             ` Jeremy Austin
2022-02-18 10:27                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-18 12:48                     ` Rich Brown
2022-02-18 15:43                       ` Nathan Owens
2022-02-18 10:29                   ` Ulrich Speidel

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