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* [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
@ 2023-11-17 22:33 Hesham ElBakoury
  2023-11-17 23:02 ` Ulrich Speidel
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Hesham ElBakoury @ 2023-11-17 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Taht via Starlink

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SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its family of products. The
news
<https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was
shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.

Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated terminal — which was
also designed for everyday uses like gaming, video calls, and streaming —
the new device features  <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a
slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and wind resistance rating
as well as an increased field of view, and no motor.

In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, the kit includes a Gen
3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. Based on the quick start guide
<https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>, also shared
by Merritt, the set-up process looks pretty easy." [
https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0
]

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* Re: [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
  2023-11-17 22:33 [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer Hesham ElBakoury
@ 2023-11-17 23:02 ` Ulrich Speidel
  2023-11-18  1:25   ` David Lang
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Ulrich Speidel @ 2023-11-17 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: starlink

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It's not surprising that they would do away with the motors. Satellite 
density has now increased in most places to a level where there is 
sufficient capacity in sight no matter which way Dishy points. At least 
where we are at 37S, you can try this out at home even with the older 
ones - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and then rotate it away 
from its self-adjusted direction. It's not going to re-orientate. That 
said, pointing Dishy at where you'd expect most capacity to sit would 
still give you better performance.

On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
> SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its family of products. 
> The news 
> <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was 
> shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.
>
> Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated terminal — which 
> was also designed for everyday uses like gaming, video calls, and 
> streaming — the new device features 
> <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a 
> slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and wind resistance 
> rating as well as an increased field of view, and no motor.
>
> In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, the kit includes a 
> Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. Based on the quick start guide 
> <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>, 
> also shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks pretty easy." 
> [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0 
> <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>]
>
>
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The University of Auckland
u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz  
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/
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* Re: [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
  2023-11-17 23:02 ` Ulrich Speidel
@ 2023-11-18  1:25   ` David Lang
  2023-11-18  1:29     ` Oleg Kutkov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Lang @ 2023-11-18  1:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ulrich Speidel; +Cc: starlink

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There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat mounts and disabling the 
motors on their dishies as a validation of the fixed dish approach.

David Lang

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:

> It's not surprising that they would do away with the motors. Satellite 
> density has now increased in most places to a level where there is sufficient 
> capacity in sight no matter which way Dishy points. At least where we are at 
> 37S, you can try this out at home even with the older ones - power up, let 
> Dishy orientate itself, and then rotate it away from its self-adjusted 
> direction. It's not going to re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy at where 
> you'd expect most capacity to sit would still give you better performance.
>
> On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
>> SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its family of products. The 
>> news 
>> <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was 
>> shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.
>> 
>> Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated terminal — which was 
>> also designed for everyday uses like gaming, video calls, and streaming — 
>> the new device features <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a 
>> slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and wind resistance rating 
>> as well as an increased field of view, and no motor.
>> 
>> In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, the kit includes a Gen 
>> 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. Based on the quick start guide 
>> <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>, also shared 
>> by Merritt, the set-up process looks pretty easy." 
>> [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0 
>> <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>]
>> 
>> 
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* Re: [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
  2023-11-18  1:25   ` David Lang
@ 2023-11-18  1:29     ` Oleg Kutkov
  2023-11-18  1:33       ` Inemesit Affia
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Oleg Kutkov @ 2023-11-18  1:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: starlink

This has been so common here in Ukraine for almost a year:
https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1725529469828452577

No known issues.

On 11/18/23 03:25, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
> There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat mounts and 
> disabling the motors on their dishies as a validation of the fixed 
> dish approach.
>
> David Lang
>
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
>
>> It's not surprising that they would do away with the motors. 
>> Satellite density has now increased in most places to a level where 
>> there is sufficient capacity in sight no matter which way Dishy 
>> points. At least where we are at 37S, you can try this out at home 
>> even with the older ones - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and 
>> then rotate it away from its self-adjusted direction. It's not going 
>> to re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy at where you'd expect most 
>> capacity to sit would still give you better performance.
>>
>> On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
>>> SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its family of 
>>> products. The news 
>>> <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was 
>>> shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.
>>>
>>> Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated terminal — which 
>>> was also designed for everyday uses like gaming, video calls, and 
>>> streaming — the new device features 
>>> <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a slimmer, more 
>>> portable design, higher waterproof and wind resistance rating as 
>>> well as an increased field of view, and no motor.
>>>
>>> In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, the kit includes 
>>> a Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. Based on the quick start guide 
>>> <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>, also 
>>> shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks pretty easy." 
>>> [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0 
>>> <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>] 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
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>>
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* Re: [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
  2023-11-18  1:29     ` Oleg Kutkov
@ 2023-11-18  1:33       ` Inemesit Affia
  2023-11-18  1:37         ` Oleg Kutkov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Inemesit Affia @ 2023-11-18  1:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Oleg Kutkov; +Cc: starlink

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Oleg, do you consider this a better product for your use case?

Nov 18, 2023 2:30:00 AM Oleg Kutkov via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:

> This has been so common here in Ukraine for almost a year:
> https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1725529469828452577
> 
> No known issues.
> 
> On 11/18/23 03:25, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
>> There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat mounts and disabling the motors on their dishies as a validation of the fixed dish approach.
>> 
>> David Lang
>> 
>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not surprising that they would do away with the motors. Satellite density has now increased in most places to a level where there is sufficient capacity in sight no matter which way Dishy points. At least where we are at 37S, you can try this out at home even with the older ones - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and then rotate it away from its self-adjusted direction. It's not going to re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy at where you'd expect most capacity to sit would still give you better performance.
>>> 
>>> On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
>>>> SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its family of products. The news <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.
>>>> 
>>>> Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated terminal — which was also designed for everyday uses like gaming, video calls, and streaming — the new device features <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and wind resistance rating as well as an increased field of view, and no motor.
>>>> 
>>>> In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, the kit includes a Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. Based on the quick start guide <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>, also shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks pretty easy." [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0 <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>]
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> -- 
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* Re: [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
  2023-11-18  1:33       ` Inemesit Affia
@ 2023-11-18  1:37         ` Oleg Kutkov
  2023-11-19  1:22           ` Oleg Kutkov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Oleg Kutkov @ 2023-11-18  1:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Inemesit Affia; +Cc: starlink

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Probably. But we need to test it first. The power consumption is higher, 
and this is not super good...
Also, we need to figure out what's going on the PoE side.

On 11/18/23 03:33, Inemesit Affia wrote:
> Oleg, do you consider this a better product for your use case?
>
> Nov 18, 2023 2:30:00 AM Oleg Kutkov via Starlink 
> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:
>
>     This has been so common here in Ukraine for almost a year:
>     https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1725529469828452577
>
>     No known issues.
>
>     On 11/18/23 03:25, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
>
>         There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat mounts
>         and disabling the motors on their dishies as a validation of
>         the fixed dish approach.
>
>         David Lang
>
>         On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
>
>             It's not surprising that they would do away with the
>             motors. Satellite density has now increased in most places
>             to a level where there is sufficient capacity in sight no
>             matter which way Dishy points. At least where we are at
>             37S, you can try this out at home even with the older ones
>             - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and then rotate it
>             away from its self-adjusted direction. It's not going to
>             re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy at where you'd
>             expect most capacity to sit would still give you better
>             performance.
>
>             On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
>
>                 SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its
>                 family of products. The news
>                 <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was
>                 shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.
>
>                 Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated
>                 terminal — which was also designed for everyday uses
>                 like gaming, video calls, and streaming — the new
>                 device features
>                 <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a
>                 slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and
>                 wind resistance rating as well as an increased field
>                 of view, and no motor.
>
>                 In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables,
>                 the kit includes a Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support.
>                 Based on the quick start guide
>                 <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>,
>                 also shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks
>                 pretty easy."
>                 [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0
>                 <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>]
>
>
>
>                 _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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>
>     -- 
>     Best regards,
>     Oleg Kutkov
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>
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Oleg Kutkov

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* Re: [Starlink] SpaceX Unveils Sleeker, More Resilient Starlink Terminal for the Connected Explorer
  2023-11-18  1:37         ` Oleg Kutkov
@ 2023-11-19  1:22           ` Oleg Kutkov
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Oleg Kutkov @ 2023-11-19  1:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: starlink

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The new Starlink app 2023.29.0 was released. This update includes 
support for the new terminal v4.

I guess this means that the new terminal will be available very soon.

By the way, I made a short visualization of the new device. This is how 
it looks in 3D:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1726026878308241408/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/k1SpoGtrYgXcd1YD.mp4?tag=12

On 11/18/23 03:37, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote:
>
> Probably. But we need to test it first. The power consumption is 
> higher, and this is not super good...
> Also, we need to figure out what's going on the PoE side.
>
> On 11/18/23 03:33, Inemesit Affia wrote:
>> Oleg, do you consider this a better product for your use case?
>>
>> Nov 18, 2023 2:30:00 AM Oleg Kutkov via Starlink 
>> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:
>>
>>     This has been so common here in Ukraine for almost a year:
>>     https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1725529469828452577
>>
>>     No known issues.
>>
>>     On 11/18/23 03:25, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
>>
>>         There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat
>>         mounts and disabling the motors on their dishies as a
>>         validation of the fixed dish approach.
>>
>>         David Lang
>>
>>         On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
>>
>>             It's not surprising that they would do away with the
>>             motors. Satellite density has now increased in most
>>             places to a level where there is sufficient capacity in
>>             sight no matter which way Dishy points. At least where we
>>             are at 37S, you can try this out at home even with the
>>             older ones - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and
>>             then rotate it away from its self-adjusted direction.
>>             It's not going to re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy
>>             at where you'd expect most capacity to sit would still
>>             give you better performance.
>>
>>             On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
>>
>>                 SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its
>>                 family of products. The news
>>                 <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was
>>                 shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.
>>
>>                 Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated
>>                 terminal — which was also designed for everyday uses
>>                 like gaming, video calls, and streaming — the new
>>                 device features
>>                 <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a
>>                 slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and
>>                 wind resistance rating as well as an increased field
>>                 of view, and no motor.
>>
>>                 In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables,
>>                 the kit includes a Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support.
>>                 Based on the quick start guide
>>                 <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>,
>>                 also shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks
>>                 pretty easy."
>>                 [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0
>>                 <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>]
>>
>>
>>
>>                 _______________________________________________
>>                 Starlink mailing list
>>                 Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>                 https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>>
>>
>>
>>         _______________________________________________
>>         Starlink mailing list
>>         Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>         https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>>
>>         _______________________________________________
>>         Starlink mailing list
>>         Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>         https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Best regards,
>>     Oleg Kutkov
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Starlink mailing list
>>     Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>     https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Oleg Kutkov
>
> _______________________________________________
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