From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lang.hm; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (wsip-70-167-213-146.ph.ph.cox.net [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDB38D69582 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2026 02:28:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.2.2.53] (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E55021C5C6; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:28:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:28:34 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: David Collier-Brown cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <4f2228ec-042a-48ed-8946-a6c37f10ca94@rogers.com> Message-ID: <6p54s9s2-33on-2685-r231-55rpro524p9r@ynat.uz> References: <4f2228ec-042a-48ed-8946-a6c37f10ca94@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID-Hash: 4MGGTERVNN3VBHKGXCIOXDO5IPJJTDY3 X-Message-ID-Hash: 4MGGTERVNN3VBHKGXCIOXDO5IPJJTDY3 X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Data_centers_are_racing_to_space_=E2=80=94_and_regulation_can=E2=80=99t_keep_up?= List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: David Collier-Brown via Starlink wrote: > I looked at the radiative cooling problem, and immediately thought ... "these > things can't possibly work. What is the hidden agenda here?" That was my initial thinking, but Elon made a post about the difficulty in getting grid hookups (regulation hoops and delays) that greatly increase the costs and time needed to build a datacenter. Elon saw this before anyone else and bought up pretty much all the gas turbine generators and transformers available. The manufacturers are now quoting lead times of several years to get new ones, but are resisting increasing their production capacity (they see this as a bubble and aren't willing to spend money on bigger production facilities that will be extra capacity after the bubble ends) Since he initially talked about the problems in hooking up to the grid, I've seen a lot of information from other sources confirming the problem. David Lang