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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>
Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread"
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, David P. Reed via Starlink wrote:

> Starlink is a good "last resort" service as constituted. But fiber and last few-hundred meters wireless is SO much better able to deliver good Internet service scalably.

You are absolutly correct that people who can get fiber (and probably even most 
DSL) are far better using that than Starlink, and last-few-hundred-meters 
wireless can be better (like DSL, it depends on the exact service available)

But stating this as if it means problems for Starlink is a strawman argument.

People who can get that sort of service are not the target users for Starlink. 
The vast majority of the land area in the US does not have such service 
available (for that matter, as the T-Mobile/SpaceX announcement pointed out, the 
vast majority of the land area in the US does not even have voice/text cell 
coverage). Those areas (plus mobile use, RVs, boats, aircraft, event coverage, 
disaster coverage, etc) are what Starlink is aimed at.

Admittedly, some of these needs could be covered by last-few-hundred-meters 
wireless, but such services also are limited in the number of users they 
support, and their detractors point out how they are massive fails when compared 
to wired service, so they are far from ubiquitous, they need just the right 
conditions (enough users in range to be profitable, but not so many that they 
are wll served by wired service)

My sister was on a wireless service, and the best that they could provide was 
2Mb (and that was more weather sensitive than Starlink is), Starlink is a game 
changer for her family.

David Lang
In Theory, Theory and Practice are the same, In Practice they are different.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-30 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3.1661875202.32670.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2022-08-30 16:53 ` David P. Reed
2022-08-30 17:32   ` Doc Searls
2022-08-30 20:09     ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-30 20:35       ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-08-30 20:40         ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-30 21:09       ` David Lang
2022-08-30 21:01   ` David Lang [this message]
2022-08-30 22:07     ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 22:21       ` David Lang
2022-08-30 22:37         ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 23:07           ` David Lang
2022-08-30 23:45             ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 23:28           ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31  0:12             ` David Lang
2022-08-31  0:31               ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  0:32               ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 10:29                 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-08-31 18:51                   ` David Lang
2022-08-31 19:04             ` Dave Taht
2022-08-30 22:50       ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-30 23:13         ` David Lang
2022-08-31  0:46         ` tom
2022-08-31  0:58           ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  7:36             ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31  6:26         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-08-31  7:25           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31  7:31             ` Hayden Simon
2022-08-31  7:33             ` David Lang
2022-08-31  9:59               ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 10:06                 ` David Lang
2022-08-31 10:12                   ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 17:52                 ` Dick Roy
2022-08-31 13:41               ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31 14:30                 ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 21:44                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01  7:58                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-01 11:38                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01 19:54                     ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-01 21:08                       ` tom
2022-09-02  7:52                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-02 12:29                           ` tom
2022-08-31  7:49             ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-08-31  9:25               ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-31  9:34                 ` David Lang
2022-09-01  9:12                   ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-31 14:52   ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31 15:22     ` [Starlink] starlink upload behavior Dave Taht
2022-09-01 19:24       ` Luis A. Cornejo
2022-09-01 19:50         ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  8:15 [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" David Fernández
2022-08-31 14:51 David Fernández
2022-08-31 18:09 ` Michael Richardson
2022-08-31 21:46 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31 23:44   ` Lin Han
2022-09-01 19:26   ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.800.1661972667.1281.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2022-08-31 19:51 ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 20:28   ` David Lang
2022-08-31 21:17     ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 21:33       ` David Lang
2022-09-01  7:05         ` Mike Puchol
2022-09-01 11:43           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01  8:09       ` David Lang
2022-09-01 15:19 David Fernández
2022-09-01 16:33 ` Darrell Budic
2022-09-02  9:32   ` David Fernández
2022-09-01 19:56 ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-02 12:27   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-02 18:34     ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-02 20:11       ` Sebastian Moeller

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