From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B0F73CB37 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.70]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D736145679; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: "David P. Reed" cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 21:01:50 -0000 On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, David P. Reed via Starlink wrote: > Starlink is a good "last resort" service as constituted. But fiber and last few-hundred meters wireless is SO much better able to deliver good Internet service scalably. You are absolutly correct that people who can get fiber (and probably even most DSL) are far better using that than Starlink, and last-few-hundred-meters wireless can be better (like DSL, it depends on the exact service available) But stating this as if it means problems for Starlink is a strawman argument. People who can get that sort of service are not the target users for Starlink. The vast majority of the land area in the US does not have such service available (for that matter, as the T-Mobile/SpaceX announcement pointed out, the vast majority of the land area in the US does not even have voice/text cell coverage). Those areas (plus mobile use, RVs, boats, aircraft, event coverage, disaster coverage, etc) are what Starlink is aimed at. Admittedly, some of these needs could be covered by last-few-hundred-meters wireless, but such services also are limited in the number of users they support, and their detractors point out how they are massive fails when compared to wired service, so they are far from ubiquitous, they need just the right conditions (enough users in range to be profitable, but not so many that they are wll served by wired service) My sister was on a wireless service, and the best that they could provide was 2Mb (and that was more weather sensitive than Starlink is), Starlink is a game changer for her family. David Lang In Theory, Theory and Practice are the same, In Practice they are different.