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[72.253.194.45]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id st12-20020a17090b1fcc00b002ac4e48b0fdsm1780960pjb.8.2024.05.01.14.24.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 May 2024 14:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Eugene Y Chang Message-Id: <707A81F7-643E-4BCE-A1A9-AC2CA6689833@ieee.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_747E7C33-D5FD-468E-8CFB-E5539927A73C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.8\)) Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 11:24:40 -1000 In-Reply-To: <438D8F36-C1EF-4274-A7F7-95662BFE4D79@gmx.de> Cc: Eugene Y Chang , Frantisek Borsik , Dave Taht via Starlink , Colin_Higbie , libreqos To: Sebastian Moeller References: <1A972680-ECA5-42CA-BE8B-6BBD46FF5E74@ieee.org> <4B96B6C0-FB9A-40DD-9F04-F3F4FD18709E@ieee.org> <438D8F36-C1EF-4274-A7F7-95662BFE4D79@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.8) Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?musings_on_disruption_and_competition_=5Bwas?= =?utf-8?q?=5D_It=E2=80=99s_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2024 21:24:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_747E7C33-D5FD-468E-8CFB-E5539927A73C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CE68F84C-A61B-4C8E-95ED-423156B1F722" --Apple-Mail=_CE68F84C-A61B-4C8E-95ED-423156B1F722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Apr 30, 2024, at 10:48 PM, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > Hi Frank. >=20 > On 1 May 2024 09:27:37 CEST, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink = > = wrote: >> Basically, Eugene, the situation you are describing is calling for a >> competitor to disrupt them! >=20 > [SM] Not a big fan of the silicon valley nomenclature... 'disruption' = evokes thoughts of 'revolutionary' yet what typically happens is rather = 'evolutionary' once one looks behind the marketing/hype... and that is = not a bad thing, as real revolutions can be quite painful. > That said, sure if the incumbents leave sufficient specialized demand = unfulfilled that opens a niche/opportunity for competitors, but that = IMHO is one of the core promises of market economies, and nothing that = silicon valley created/realized de novo, no? >=20 [EC] I also dislike the term =E2=80=9Cdisruption=E2=80=9D. It is just = finding a hungry vendor that will fill the (our) need. I like a #3 that = is trying to grow. Then if the larger vendor sees our goal is too = insignificant to care, the smalller vendor will peel away = (insignificant) market share and everyone is happy. If the smaller = vendor starts taking away too much market share then the dominant vendor = will change. This kind of change is better than talking to a dominant = vendor sitting pretty. Eugene Chang --Apple-Mail=_CE68F84C-A61B-4C8E-95ED-423156B1F722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Apr 30, 2024, at 10:48 PM, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> = wrote:

Hi Frank.

On 1 May 2024 09:27:37 CEST, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink = <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Basically, Eugene, the situation you = are describing is calling for a
competitor to disrupt = them!

[SM] Not a big fan of the silicon valley nomenclature... = 'disruption' evokes thoughts of 'revolutionary' yet what typically = happens is rather 'evolutionary' once one looks behind the = marketing/hype... and that is not a bad thing, as real revolutions can = be quite painful.
That said, sure if the incumbents leave sufficient = specialized demand unfulfilled that opens a niche/opportunity for = competitors, but that IMHO is one of the core promises of market = economies, and nothing that silicon valley created/realized de novo, = no?


[EC]  I also dislike the term = =E2=80=9Cdisruption=E2=80=9D.  It is just finding a hungry vendor = that will fill the (our) need. I like a #3 that is trying to grow. Then = if the larger vendor sees our goal is too insignificant to care, the = smalller vendor will peel away (insignificant) market share and everyone = is happy. If the smaller vendor starts taking away too much market share = then the dominant vendor will change. This kind of change is better than = talking to a dominant vendor sitting pretty.

Eugene Chang

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