From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.de header.i=moeller0@gmx.de; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmx.de policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5EEF7103A9 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 17:18:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1759245525; x=1759850325; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=T+dPA8uyuTwx+Bab97EQq7GrrQfv1M2P+H2fSWcEQ40=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=FR0PRHmasn+uoL5Pol2fDxEvoC0Z4+6Za1sTi1y42dTFqeI1Oz8HuAQRVZ2miQ5F QIb1IaMCjrXToPXUW1E5Y4uYxD5vSfdGhJtXYd4wjZKiAUbSJnjHEOcY2zGkjnDc+ 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member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: SCONE, bandwidth indeterminacy and network to host signals (was Re: Re: Starlink Digest, Vol 53, Issue 14) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Jason, > On 30. Sep 2025, at 16:42, Livingood, Jason = wrote: >=20 > >> AFAIK, the objective of SCONE is " improve slow-start in general", = not only > >> for video, but I must confess I am not following it closely. >=20 > > Not seeing that objective clearly in the SCONE group/working group = or ID, but I might have overlooked that. >=20 > IIRC one of the initial presentations was from Google on =E2=80=9CPlan = Aware Streaming=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 see = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/slides-119-sconepro-you= tube-plan-aware-streaming-01.pdf. Thanks a lot! =20 This also shows which two entities likely try to push this though the = IETF, Google and MNOs as for both there is money on line. I guess I = revise my judgment somewhat, for that purpose it might be a reasonable = solution, especially since this is aiming for informational status (aka, = this is what we do, we just want to document it for you all out there). = This does support me in my assessment that for starlink usage SCONE = might not be all that helpful... Regards Sebastian >=20 > JL