Thanks . very interesting and not surprising! _____ From: Nathan Owens [mailto:nathan@nathan.io] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:59 PM To: David Lang Cc: Dick Roy; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming Per the debug data, the dish has GPS, a Gyroscope, a Magnetometer, and an Accelerometer. On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:32 PM David Lang wrote: On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Dick Roy wrote: > What is involved in "setting the service address"?? fairly simple, enter it in the website or contact support > Do dishy's have IMUs (aka some means for determining attitude w.r.t. the > local gravitational vector and true or magnetic north) or GPS modules (or > both)??? we know the first version has a gps module in it, and you really need a phone to set it up (and the phone app has access to your location) David Lang > I am somewhat skeptical that the system would be able to locate a UT just > based on zero tilt transmissions from the UT. I am guessing something a bit > more complex is transpiring, like some rudimentary form of SDMA (aka > spatio-temporal resource allocation). > > RR > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lang [mailto:david@lang.hm] > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 12:53 PM > To: Mike Puchol > Cc: 'David Lang'; 'Larry Press'; dickroy@alum.mit.edu; > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming > > that's what happened when I tried to use it ~60 miles away, but when I tried > to > use it ~25 miles away I got the attached error very quickly. > > I've used it at a couple locations 5-10 miles away without a problem > > I asked starlink support about roaming and it's currently not supported, you > can > change the registered location, and if a slot is available, they'll approve > it > and guarantee service (view of the sky permitting). But when you do that you > > give up the slot at your home location and are not guaranteed to be able to > move > it back. > > They told me that I could try it, and it may work, may be degraded a bit, or > may > not work at all. They do plan to add roaming capabilities in the future (my > guess is that the laser satellites will enable a lot more flexibility) > > David Lang > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Mike Puchol wrote: > >> From what I have observed, there is a new "roaming" flag in terminal > properties that determines roaming capability. Mine is false, and I could > not get service if I set the service address too far. >> >> The way the UT does it is, after startup, it moves to zero tilt, then > searches and registers with any passing satellite, likely using a low-rate, > omnidireccional beacon. The backend then informs the terminal if it is out > of its service address, and if so, it will just sit there doing nothing > (although it does periodically send stuff). >> >> Best, >> >> Mike >> On Feb 21, 2022, 23:31 +0300, Dick Roy , wrote: >>> What does your contract say about the "where" you can expect service from >>> your dishy? I suspect the system is capable of tracking all users at all >>> times they're in coverage which is how they could/would enforce a >>> contractual limitation/constraint. >>> >>> RR >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf > Of >>> David Lang >>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:30 PM >>> To: Larry Press >>> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming >>> >>> tonight I took it to a friends house about 25 miles away and within a > couple >>> min >>> it gave me an error message saying that I wasn't at my assigned location. >>> >>> David Lang >>> >>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Larry Press wrote: >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:22:44 +0000 >>>> From: Larry Press >>>> To: David Lang , >>>> Jonathan Bennett >>>> Cc: "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" >>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming >>>> >>>> David brought his dish to my location -- about fifty miles from his >>> service loacation and in a different cell and it could not connect. We > had a >>> clear view of the entire sky. He speculated that that was because it was >>> registered to use a specific ground station that was out of range at my >>> place. Does that seem reasonable? >>>> >>>> Larry Press >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Starlink on behalf of > David >>> Lang >>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 12:29 PM >>>> To: Jonathan Bennett >>>> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming >>>> >>>> I asked starlink about temp service away from my registered location, > they >>> said >>>> I have two options >>>> >>>> 1. formally change the service location (if approved, guaranteed to > work, >>> but >>>> you aren't guaranteed to be able to change the service location back) >>>> >>>> 2. best effort, set it up and try it. Service may perfect, or may be > worse >>> (all >>>> the way to non-existant) depending on how many other dishes are in use > in >>> the >>>> area. >>>> >>>> I've done some limited testing with my dish within about 15 miles of my >>>> registered location (in both cases with less than optimal sky views) and >>> it's >>>> worked without a hitch. I plan to do a test further away this weekend > (but >>> in a >>>> less populated area, so I have high hopes) >>>> >>>> David Lang >>>> >>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Jonathan Bennett wrote: >>>> >>>>> It appears that there is now a system in place for Starlink to > re-connect >>>>> even if you are outside your official service cell. For those of us who >>>>> want to use Starlink on vacations or other trips, this is quite the >>>>> development. >>>>> >>>>> --Jonathan Bennett >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Starlink mailing list >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> >>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink_ >>> > _;!!P7nkOOY!txPxU76SxJ4JvYe2kDjl5OcuAgSIb7mkHWuCMgt3eSH3Tec--6vePH_RCs0NVt6n >>> 2TE6_9HsG20fOA$ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Starlink mailing list >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Starlink mailing list >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > > _______________________________________________ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink