From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE0923CB41 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 3BG8FhmX037789; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:15:43 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D96D201592; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:15:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0032D200DBB; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:15:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.14.0.24] ([10.14.0.24]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 3BG8FgRA023569; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: <76c3f629-e579-4524-888c-eb9fa8f72b47@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:15:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: fr To: Gert Doering Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> <02cc2879-ef99-4388-bc1e-335a4aaff6aa@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CEA-Virus: SOPHOS_SAVI_ERROR_OLD_VIRUS_DATA Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:15:44 -0000 Le 15/12/2023 à 13:44, Gert Doering a écrit : > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:43:25PM +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >> So, a requirement to a competitive satcom would be like 25 Gbit/s.  I think it >> is not impossible to make, if many intermediate layers (HAPS, drones etc) >> are used, and larger band widths. > As was noted upthread, raw bandwith is not the only relevant criteria > here I agree. But, raw bandwidth increase often (always?) comes with latency decrease.  It shouldnt be neglected. > (and nobody really *needs* 25 Gbit/s at home, though I'd *love* to > have it). Sure, I agree. To that, I'd say this: "640kbyte RAM is enough for all purposes", right? finger + bandwidth = twitter iridium + bandwidth = starlink ATMachine + bandwidth = paypal It appears hard to reduce in importance. And I do appreciate and use many low bandwidth high-latency links regularly. And I do agree that, especially in countries with many sparsely-populated areas, the starlink access appears to be a great tool, which should be considered importantly. Alex > > gert