From: Ulrich Speidel <ulrich@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink for Tonga?
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 21:22:30 +1300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <78be6869-375c-02a8-498b-7446287ab97d@cs.auckland.ac.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8b7fd197-777d-e963-628d-4cdff7c04380@sokolov.eu.org>
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Fiji's unwritten government policy for a long term has been that the
Internet exists as an income source for the government.
When I was at the University of the South Pacific (USP) in Suva on a
short secondment in 2001, you could pick a fresh bunch of tropical
flowers for each short e-mail from overseas that arrived. This was just
a couple of kilometres from the landing station of the very much
operational Southern Cross cable, which had taken over as the main
redundant US-NZ-Australia connection, with bandwidth to boot. I was told
that USP, as a transnational organisation, had requested permission to
connect, and was refused. They had access to a transponder on a Japanese
satellite at the time to beam analog video of classes to their
"satellite" campuses around the Pacific, and they weren't allowed to use
that for Internet either.
It's not changed all that much since. I'm told that there's a wall in
the cable landing station, and every bit that crosses the wall has a tax
slapped onto it.
Other countries have similar sensitivities, sometimes because they want
to protect a monopoly telco, sometimes because local society doesn't
want real Internet (many places are very much church-driven, and I
suspect some pastors fear that they might lose the narrative, or people
have heard about all the horrible things on the Internet and just don't
want it in their village). Sometimes it's because their current
satellite provider has them in a stranglehold - they love long-term
contracts for little service at exorbitant fees, and some small footnote
in the contract says that this special price is only available to them
if the island nation shall not buy from anyone else during that period.
Typical satellite contracts in the Pacific run for 5 years minimum. Yes
that sounds as crook as it is.
Note that there are in principle two issues with a LEO provider
accessing a country: Providing service there and running gateways there.
To prevent Starlink from offering service once they're able to route
between satellite, you'd have to ban dishys, and if you want to know how
well that works, ask the Iranians for their experience when they wanted
to ban satellite TV. Running a gateway is another matter, of course.
There's always hope that the Fijian government will eventually
understand that the Internet will make it richer if it doesn't try to
take a cut, and that more of it is better for them. But they'd like a
bit more Internet on the outlying islands as is, and maybe Elon can sell
the idea to them?
On 8/02/2022 8:49 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:
> On 2022-02-08 at 00:30, Ulrich Speidel wrote:
> > They're not the only place in the Pacific to have these sorts of
> > problems, so seeing Starlink show any interest at all is a good thing.
> > They might want to start with providing service to all of Fiji.
>
> Maybe, but my feeling is the local authorities don't want them in their
> market?
>
> What are the chances that the 6 month emergency license Fidschi has
> granted to help Tonga will be turned into a normal license that allows
> Fidschi residents to use Starlink?
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
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Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-07 18:50 Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-07 18:51 ` Nathan Owens
2022-02-07 19:05 ` Christian von der Ropp
2022-02-07 19:06 ` Nathan Owens
2022-02-07 20:38 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 20:44 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-10 7:53 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 21:18 ` Ben Greear
2022-02-07 21:24 ` David Lang
2022-02-07 21:36 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-07 22:22 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 22:29 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-07 23:36 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-07 23:47 ` David Lang
2022-02-08 0:20 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08 1:20 ` David Lang
2022-02-08 4:46 ` Inemesit Affia
2022-02-08 6:25 ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08 7:30 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08 7:49 ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08 8:22 ` Ulrich Speidel [this message]
2022-02-08 8:47 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08 8:49 ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08 8:58 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08 9:05 ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-08 9:10 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08 15:22 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-02-08 10:11 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-08 13:50 ` Christian von der Ropp
2022-02-08 15:28 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-08 16:25 ` Dave Taht
2022-02-08 18:20 ` Gary E. Miller
2022-02-08 19:12 ` David Lang
2022-02-09 12:09 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-09 19:28 ` [Starlink] Sunburp kills 40 starlink satellites Doc Searls
2022-02-09 19:51 ` Michael Richardson
2022-02-09 12:58 ` [Starlink] Starlink for Tonga? Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-18 5:04 ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-02-18 7:27 ` Mike Puchol
2022-02-18 9:01 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-04-19 11:57 ` Mike Puchol
2022-04-19 12:06 ` Dave Taht
2022-04-19 12:43 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-04-20 1:06 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-04-20 1:14 ` Jeremy Austin
2022-02-18 10:27 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-02-18 12:48 ` Rich Brown
2022-02-18 15:43 ` Nathan Owens
2022-02-18 10:29 ` Ulrich Speidel
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