From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.onholyground.com (mail.onholyground.com [204.130.133.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AEE03CB37 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (static-217-112.meetings.nanog.org [199.187.217.112] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.onholyground.com (8.14.9/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 1A4FQpc1005588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 10:26:53 -0500 From: Darrell Budic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: <7907F9D1-9511-4254-BD8F-701888EB6778@onholyground.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 10:26:50 -0500 To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mail.onholyground.com [204.130.133.20]); Thu, 04 Nov 2021 10:26:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checked: This message probably not SPAM (1.26) X-Spam-Tests: BAYES_00,LONG_TERM_PRICE,RDNS_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 Subject: [Starlink] Starlink tidbits from NANOG X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2021 15:26:55 -0000 I was at NANOG in Minneapolis, and got a chance to ask a couple question = of a Starlink Network Engineer who=E2=80=99s attending. I was already = talking to him about Starlink=E2=80=99s network efforts (see below) but = it was nice to meet in person. Don=E2=80=99t quote me on any of this, = but here=E2=80=99s a few tidbits this list may appreciate: - Starlink is expanding their own network operations, and is connecting = to more IXPs. They were already on SIX in Seattle, have connected to = DECIX NY, and are in the process of connecting to ChIX in Chicago. As I = run ChIX, I had a good excuse to talk to them about other things. :) = IXPs and their own networks are in the works for Europe and other areas = as well. - They have been obtaining more v4 addresses, but I don=E2=80=99t know = if they have enough to not do CGNAT. I don't think they do yet, but it = seems like it may be a long term target. - v6 is deliberately not fully functional, but they know some of use are = using it and it will eventually be fully activated. May be waiting on = the regional connectivity, so will be intersting to see if changes for = some areas and not others as they roll it out. - They hate Google's outsourced NOC as much as the rest of us - New ground stations with more capacity are coming (and will be = upgrades). They are using waves back to regional DCs now, but will be = moving to dark fiber over the next year or two - the new satellites have more than 2 lasers, and there is enough = capacity on them to do routing. no details on how or what protocols, = alas - new birds also have 2-3x more ku bandwidth than first gen - new dishes are in the works, v4 coming with lower power use, more = capacity, not round any more - larger dishes coming for commercial apps - as we know, they aren=E2=80=99t doing any AQM yet, but it sounds like = it may be in the works and we may see it in new code in 4-6 months. Not = my guys department, so no more details. - it=E2=80=99s encrypted up and down. I didn=E2=80=99t know that yet, = but I may have just missed it. -Darrell=