From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.onholyground.com (mail.onholyground.com [204.130.133.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 147D23B2A4 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 16:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (castleinthewoods.onholyground.com [204.130.133.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.onholyground.com (8.14.9/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 15RK7PWj004740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:07:26 -0500 From: Darrell Budic Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_659E68C7-1473-4E84-8ADF-29433E31D731" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:07:25 -0500 References: <4XxOdTE7SSKV1PSkdhm_Ng@geopod-ismtpd-3-0> <592723f5-ff1e-4118-9f83-22c046023101@Spark> To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <592723f5-ff1e-4118-9f83-22c046023101@Spark> Message-Id: <7A6308F2-D9BF-42FF-ACCB-FE00A4523742@onholyground.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mail.onholyground.com [204.130.133.20]); Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:07:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checked: This message probably not SPAM (-2.582) X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE,SO_PUB_URIBL_NS_40,TXREP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 Subject: Re: [Starlink] ordered my dishy!! X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:07:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_659E68C7-1473-4E84-8ADF-29433E31D731 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Better numbers than my pre-production hardware from April, I=E2=80=99m = seeing my sense report ~87w averages with 75-110w being normal. = Interesting, I see peaks around 150w this week with heavy clouds, good = =E2=80=98ol ku bands being affected by the weather I expect. Last weeks = heavy thunderstorm caused frequent loss, but no total outage at least. I wonder if it would be possible to run less of the phased array much of = the time, let portions of it sleep when it wasn=E2=80=99t trying to move = lots of data? Definitely don=E2=80=99t know enough about the system to = know if it could operate that way, just speculating. -Darrell > On Jun 25, 2021, at 1:23 AM, Mike Puchol wrote: >=20 > In terms of power usage, most of it is used to drive the phased array, = in terms of each individual IC in the array, plus the computational side = of determining what each element should be doing, at very high = frequency. The terminal consumes more power in receive mode than = transmit, funnily enough - because it needs to do more =E2=80=9Cdriving=E2= =80=9D in order to create a receive spot beam.=20 >=20 > The only way to truly save power would be to decrease the duty cycles, = essentially, place Dishy in =E2=80=9Csleep=E2=80=9D mode for a period of = time each slot. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Mike > On Jun 25, 2021, 4:32 AM +0200, Nathan Owens , = wrote: >> That seems like a pretty good deal, only a small additional price = (+5% to the service price) to pay for the ability to get high speed, = (mostly) low latency connection where previously not possible. I think = it=E2=80=99s pretty impressive they got a phased array which transmits = >500km down to 65W.=20 >>=20 >> =E2=80=94Nathan >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8:16 PM Daniel AJ Sokolov = > wrote: >> On 2021-06-24 at 6:36 p.m., Nathan Owens wrote: >> > The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. Might pull more = in snow >> > melt mode >>=20 >> That is still significant. About 600 kWh a year, which would cost me >> about USD 66. >>=20 >> Plus all the electricity required for snow/ice melt - of which I'll = need >> a lot, given that I live North of 60=C2=B0. >>=20 >> YMMV, depending on your cost of electricity. >> Daniel >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net = >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink = >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --Apple-Mail=_659E68C7-1473-4E84-8ADF-29433E31D731 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Better numbers than my pre-production hardware from April, = I=E2=80=99m seeing my sense report ~87w averages with 75-110w being = normal. Interesting, I see peaks around 150w this week with heavy = clouds, good =E2=80=98ol ku bands being affected by the weather I = expect. Last weeks heavy thunderstorm caused frequent loss, but no total = outage at least.

I = wonder if it would be possible to run less of the phased array much of = the time, let portions of it sleep when it wasn=E2=80=99t trying to move = lots of data? Definitely don=E2=80=99t know enough about the system to = know if it could operate that way, just speculating.

  -Darrell

On Jun 25, 2021, at 1:23 AM, Mike Puchol <mike@starlink.sx> = wrote:

In terms of power usage, most of it is used = to drive the phased array, in terms of each individual IC in the array, = plus the computational side of determining what each element should be = doing, at very high frequency. The terminal consumes more power in = receive mode than transmit, funnily enough - because it needs to do more = =E2=80=9Cdriving=E2=80=9D in order to create a receive spot = beam. 

The only way to truly save power would be to decrease the duty cycles, = essentially, place Dishy in =E2=80=9Csleep=E2=80=9D mode for a period of = time each slot.

Best,

Mike
On Jun 25, 2021, 4:32 AM = +0200, Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io>, wrote:
That seems like a pretty good deal, only a = small additional price (+5% to the service price) to pay for the ability = to get high speed, (mostly) low latency connection where previously not = possible. I think it=E2=80=99s pretty impressive they got a phased array = which transmits >500km down to 65W. 

=E2=80=94Nathan


On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8:16 PM = Daniel AJ Sokolov <daniel@sokolov.eu.org> wrote:
On 2021-06-24 at 6:36 p.m., Nathan Owens = wrote:
> The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. Might pull more = in snow
> melt mode

That is still significant. About 600 kWh a year, which would cost me
about USD 66.

Plus all the electricity required for snow/ice melt - of which I'll = need
a lot, given that I live North of 60=C2=B0.

YMMV, depending on your cost of electricity.
Daniel

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