From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lang.hm; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (wsip-70-167-213-146.ph.ph.cox.net [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2324F727EAC for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 23:13:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.2.2.53] (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706B320AE7B; Wed, 1 Oct 2025 14:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 14:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Frantisek Borsik cc: Dave Taht via Starlink In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7r9q96p0-1p54-3o24-1o55-39s9p0ro56oq@ynat.uz> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID-Hash: AFQUZMT3E6WVRZLK2UAASJ7QBGENWBCM X-Message-ID-Hash: AFQUZMT3E6WVRZLK2UAASJ7QBGENWBCM X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Lost in Space: The Limits of Geolocation in a Satellite-Connected World (new article from Geoff Huston) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: RnJhbnRpc2VrIEJvcnNpayB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBodHRwczovL2NpcmNsZWlkLmNvbS9wb3N0cy9s aW1pdHMtb2YtZ2VvbG9jYXRpb24taW4tYS1zYXRlbGxpdGUtY29ubmVjdGVkLXdvcmxkDQo+DQo+ IOKAnFdoZXJlIGFyZSB5b3U/4oCdIGlzIG5vdCBhbiBlYXN5IHF1ZXN0aW9uIHRvIGFuc3dlciBv biB0aGUgSW50ZXJuZXQuIFRoZQ0KPiB0ZWxlcGhvbmUgc3lzdGVt4oCZcyBhZGRyZXNzIHBsYW4g ZW1iZWRkZWQgYSBjZXJ0YWluIGFtb3VudCBvZiBwaHlzaWNhbA0KPiBsb2NhdGlvbiBpbmZvcm1h dGlvbiBpbiB0aGUgZml4ZWQtbGluZSBuZXR3b3JrLCBhbmQgYSBmdWxsIEUuMTY0IHRlbGVwaG9u ZQ0KPiBudW1iZXIgaW5kaWNhdGVkIHlvdXIgbG9jYXRpb24gaW4gdGVybXMgb2YgeW91ciBjb3Vu dHJ5IGFuZCB5b3VyIGFyZWENCj4gd2l0aGluIHRoYXQgY291bnRyeS4NCg0KaXQncyB3b3J0aCBu b3RpbmcgdGhhdCB0aGUgYWJpbGl0eSB0byB1c2UgeW91ciBwaG9uZSBudW1iZXIgdG8gbG9jYXRl IHlvdSBoYXMgDQpub3cgYmVlbiBlbGltaW5hdGVkLiBUaGUgYWJpbGl0eSB0byBtb3ZlIG51bWJl cnMgZnJvbSBsYW5kbGluZXMgdG8gcGhvbmUgYW5kIA0KZnJvbSBwaG9uZSB0byBwaG9uZSBtZWFu cyB5b3UgY2FuJ3QgZXZlbiBrbm93IHdoYXQgY2VsbCBjYXJyaWVyIGEgY2VsbCBwaG9uZSANCmhh cy4gSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IGlmIHlvdSBjYW4gbW92ZSBudW1iZXJzIGZyb20gcGhvbmVzIHRvIGxh bmRsaW5lcywgYnV0IEkgd291bGQgDQpiZSBzdXJwcmlzZWQgaWYgeW91IGNhbid0Lw0KDQpEYXZp ZCBMYW5nDQoNCj4gVGhlIEludGVybmV0IGRpZCBub3QgYWRvcHQgYSBnZW9ncmFwaGljIGFkZHJl c3MgcGxhbiwNCj4gd2hpY2ggbWVhbnMgdGhhdCB5b3Ugd2lsbCBuZWVkIGEgbG90IG9mIGFkZGl0 aW9uYWwgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gdG8gbWFwIGFuIElQDQo+IGFkZHJlc3MgdG8gYSBsb2NhdGlvbiBh dCB0aGUgY291bnRyeSBvciBjaXR5IGxldmVsLiINCj4NCj4gQWxsIHRoZSBiZXN0LA0KPg0KPiBG cmFuaw0KPg0KPiBGcmFudGlzZWsgKEZyYW5rKSBCb3JzaWsNCj4NCj4NCj4gKkluIGxvdmluZyBt ZW1vcnkgb2YgRGF2ZSBUw6RodDogKjE5NjUtMjAyNQ0KPg0KPiBodHRwczovL2xpYnJlcW9zLmlv LzIwMjUvMDQvMDEvaW4tbG92aW5nLW1lbW9yeS1vZi1kYXZlLw0KPg0KPg0KPiBodHRwczovL3d3 dy5saW5rZWRpbi5jb20vaW4vZnJhbnRpc2VrYm9yc2lrDQo+DQo+IFNpZ25hbCwgVGVsZWdyYW0s IFdoYXRzQXBwOiArNDIxOTE5NDE2NzE0DQo+DQo+IGlNZXNzYWdlLCBtb2JpbGU6ICs0MjA3NzUy MzA4ODUNCj4NCj4gU2t5cGU6IGNhc2lvYTUzMDJjYQ0KPg0KPiBmcmFudGlzZWsuYm9yc2lrQGdt YWlsLmNvbQ0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f Xw0KPiBTdGFybGluayBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QgLS0gc3RhcmxpbmtAbGlzdHMuYnVmZmVyYmxvYXQu bmV0DQo+IFRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIHNlbmQgYW4gZW1haWwgdG8gc3RhcmxpbmstbGVhdmVAbGlz dHMuYnVmZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0