From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DD093B29D for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 01:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: relay.sandelman.ca; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=sandelman.ca header.i=@sandelman.ca header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=dyas header.b=QT4luIrn; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from dyas.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:1998:b230:58d5:18be:e75b]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DE171F4A4; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 60A00A1102; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:22:02 +0700 (+07) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=sandelman.ca; s=dyas; t=1742275322; bh=KuPgQyqoEAnI29TZnSNTcvoanTkIad3Y4XudD4QxeWo=; h=From:To:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=QT4luIrnKzKVa81GT2gt9sFNdsUFnAMO87NC+m/q1vx2KjgIJ6WA3u8ENeKoij64/ PM0OhJfRyKBHcAr3/JxyhM2Ne72Q7ETSsa4mpsAbptD6RChu+Fl48hwnJIXmCK5gqy WCFjCtUmdANhYtRD1GShbae90A4bmSar/5ZuKeel+d9zR4c1emA09XNY7ycMs33Qyx dSvgBE6IWViZROdTK9WbpsOYMLPyHObm45o3A++DGbU1aZoCGIySAH8ncqOliOWtzl VEkopaw4R8Spt8pV9B8URO3sshXGmelM4YtbWr+8XcXsYF3SaSl2u7fMXpBvTN1dhi VtNAvsGtP9VTA== Received: from dyas (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7AAA007B; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:22:02 +0700 (+07) From: Michael Richardson To: Starlink , 5grm-satellite@ieee.org In-reply-to: <1oqn4685-8qsp-923n-9p4s-487rn4p65o77@ynat.uz> References: <6nn799r0-q896-4osn-23no-733oorno0p55@ynat.uz> <1oqn4685-8qsp-923n-9p4s-487rn4p65o77@ynat.uz> Comments: In-reply-to David Lang via Starlink message dated "Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:49:17 -0700." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:22:02 +0700 Message-ID: <822574.1742275322@dyas> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Alphabet spins off Starlink competitor Taara X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:22:07 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain David Lang via Starlink wrote: > Since it kept talking about being a replacement for Starlink, I assumed > that the towers would communicate with satellites. If there are no > satellites being used, then it's not going to be a Starlink competitor > as you would have to build a long chain of laser towers to try and > provide service everywhere. (It would work fine for the flat earth types though) (or if you live on Terry Pratchard's Discword) But, seriously we have lots and lots of microwave towers from decades ago. I think most are abandonned due to fibre being better, but getting new rights of way for fiber is probably hard. The railways were delighted to be involved 30 years ago, but now, I suspect the field is closed to any new entrants. So lasers between towers makes a lot of sense to me. Particularly through/across marshy tundra in, for instance, Canada's north. Just not between pacific islands. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEow/1qDVgAbWL2zxYcAKuwszYgEMFAmfZAvoACgkQcAKuwszY gEObIQwAlQXlQHGCa7HmUioKFXDNAXGXC3VVX8Lik5NKsprwBil77o80nJ6gtcTU QRPxPUXADMXtngh1N/pxzTqfznZ6PbtR9jE3Hrs8v7MdlZ63OPnFXhfnCOGUDpLc SZLHHxVkqjYhF560KGiqcXKBKCuG7vG1zUfdzkrMc4uGrK2xCHu4K518wjm2f1kP 95TLGfW6iG7hRQnx7yjuYXESMtbBwSzgXVa/10x7wZmvVSiNYvPguB1Wf9DuJd2k R1bqVemzIPfOuobxEnl4yQrMyjrIeXmktkh8EgYyY66qS3PNa7a9cmjBBWXoqBjy jIY6+1SgWi8Xj4Opz5MoD2e/k3hVEg1GPFue4BPqUqTcHYSqjCqz0RcO5qZKOvMT Smx3qDswIHX7I+r+pj/QLQJgGLnS97oECcr72NIhgQdZuCl5SHvuDgsbNsgUg//D RU1Xm7inDnjenDp9Oapg7LjvWZUTEJOJ0ss2MVN9GZk8Ft2TGtK0SFis3aYCRg4j bWdo2Wx7 =Q1IC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--