From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6915B3B2A4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 29EG5u8s007232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:56 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id 29EG5uw3016957; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:56 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F942F92C9; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=irif.fr; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:mime-version :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from :message-id:date:date:received:received; s=dkim-irif; t= 1665763555; x=1666627556; bh=hmVE79KWGPqsh7IppeJc+SeW814ySh71Fq0 oGVP6ZHI=; b=q/dFVn5Rwi0Aw2HZqEcbdig0XEwLkXn3eSTnUNA/64Q5aBzkSj4 TJpMEzpynYWvGMqQW1RUSLGfW1s6J2iG8dKmVxP/Evfas6/znZ2AVvKzJvJLiYCj m6Za0t+myKrBTBTVHFqFYfU9M3Zsu49Xk12VV8wXWT6qSio9znw5V/uf/lXdeXZJ 0OUmpyJxlyixQWhJ6n5woKuZDjgAnpeUzq5epeUGS9+8I+8takxvKX+BN45iBYcc HzkVoxxJYBZRf6qyuAXreoMZ5rwsKSH8ZL34VW2A+h1WZWOOh+Wv1YsELqE1Tidh OIwXXVRti0PTzXcJcx2b8M0KxLK6w7rl10w== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id SepWz-H4geNw; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B418F92C5; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87r0zao0f0.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Mike Puchol Cc: Starlink list In-Reply-To: <3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark> References: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> <38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark> <87tu46o8e3.wl-jch@irif.fr> <3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:05:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 634988E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-Miltered: at potemkin with ID 634988E4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 634988E4.000 from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/null/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 634988E4.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 634988E4.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 634988E4.001 on potemkin.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 16:05:58 -0000 > In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the > expectation that it’s a “freemium” model, it’s very hard to get out of it. If > you then claim your costs are way higher than what analysis work out, eyebrows > raise way above the hairline. Uh. Hmm.