From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EC933B2A4 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 14:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 15IIHVrS008864; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 20:17:31 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD1A10E70F; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 20:17:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id bZKtsXBPSzpX; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 20:17:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D73A10E70A; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 20:17:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 20:17:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87wnqryr4h.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Dave Taht Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: <950B8EAF-90B9-41A6-951D-91821F591D41@teklibre.net> <01a7bed2-6f49-3d7d-eb5a-209031ee8070@gmail.com> <391A8897-5A1F-424A-9DD0-01B66824887B@teklibre.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.0 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Fri, 18 Jun 2021 20:17:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 60CCE33B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 60CCE33B.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 60CCE33B.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: [Starlink] NTP implementations [was: Microstate Accounting and the Nyquist problem] X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 18:17:33 -0000 > Once upon a time, I sat in esr's basement hearing him rip much crud out of the > old ntpd codebase over the course of a very few days. The shouts “What? > WHAAAT?” and most of the other pithy comments he made never made the git log. Yeah, it's a university project -- generations after generations of students who hack on the codebase during summer projects. I have some experience with such ;-) > Over the years following the codebase got better and better, but adoption has > been slow. The potential userbase might be using chrony, which has set a rather high bar to compete against (I've seen it behave beautifully on some pretty broken hardware). -- Juliusz