From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.onholyground.com (mail.onholyground.com [204.130.133.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D5273CB37 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2021 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (castleinthewoods.onholyground.com [204.130.133.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.onholyground.com (8.14.9/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 1A51k8Oa030420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Nov 2021 20:46:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Darrell Budic In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 20:46:08 -0500 Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89E6EE2E-CEDC-4150-B68F-CC66727E7C48@onholyground.com> References: <7907F9D1-9511-4254-BD8F-701888EB6778@onholyground.com> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mail.onholyground.com [204.130.133.20]); Thu, 04 Nov 2021 20:46:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checked: This message probably not SPAM (-2.774) X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,SO_PUB_URIBL_NS_40,TXREP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink tidbits from NANOG X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 01:46:10 -0000 > On Nov 4, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >> - new dishes are in the works, v4 coming with lower power use, more = capacity, not round any more >> - larger dishes coming for commercial apps >=20 >> - as we know, they aren=E2=80=99t doing any AQM yet, but it sounds = like it may be in the works and we may see it in new code in 4-6 months. = Not my guys department, so no more details. >=20 > fq is a better start. >=20 > Just someone telling me under pain of death, "dave, you can't talk for > X months, but we're going to do cake/fq-codel/pie/something" would be > comforting. There's a whole internet elsewhere left to fix, starlink > getting it right and a little publicity around it would do wonders... > and certainly wifi is highest on my list. As it is, I got annoyed > enough last week to try and get the autorate sensing code to work well > on starlink. There's a prototype now that seems to be working well on > lte, see here: = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cakes-autorate-ingress-testing-needed/108848/1= 86 Forgot to say that I did pitch the advantages of lowering latency and = jumping over many other terrestrial providers for congestion control. My = guy was ground networking though, but I can hope it will get passed = over. Hoping I can stay in touch with them and continue to pipe things = in and out of their black box...=