From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38A3D3B2A4 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [205.174.156.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1ED545400D7; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A9E5E209-2F60-4D52-9ED3-4A50DE5A049D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jared Mauch In-Reply-To: <7A6308F2-D9BF-42FF-ACCB-FE00A4523742@onholyground.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 18:41:14 -0400 Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-Id: <8B291F22-8A44-4A02-A971-F924F0B7B35F@puck.nether.net> References: <7A6308F2-D9BF-42FF-ACCB-FE00A4523742@onholyground.com> To: Darrell Budic X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18F72) Subject: Re: [Starlink] ordered my dishy!! X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 22:41:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail-A9E5E209-2F60-4D52-9ED3-4A50DE5A049D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm having issues keeping it powered in my remote location. Seems it doesn't= like a non sine wave power.=20 Sent from my TI-99/4a > On Jun 27, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Darrell Budic wrote:= >=20 > =EF=BB=BFBetter numbers than my pre-production hardware from April, I=E2=80= =99m seeing my sense report ~87w averages with 75-110w being normal. Interes= ting, I see peaks around 150w this week with heavy clouds, good =E2=80=98ol k= u bands being affected by the weather I expect. Last weeks heavy thunderstor= m caused frequent loss, but no total outage at least. >=20 > I wonder if it would be possible to run less of the phased array much of t= he time, let portions of it sleep when it wasn=E2=80=99t trying to move lots= of data? Definitely don=E2=80=99t know enough about the system to know if i= t could operate that way, just speculating. >=20 > -Darrell >=20 >> On Jun 25, 2021, at 1:23 AM, Mike Puchol wrote: >>=20 >> In terms of power usage, most of it is used to drive the phased array, in= terms of each individual IC in the array, plus the computational side of de= termining what each element should be doing, at very high frequency. The ter= minal consumes more power in receive mode than transmit, funnily enough - be= cause it needs to do more =E2=80=9Cdriving=E2=80=9D in order to create a rec= eive spot beam.=20 >>=20 >> The only way to truly save power would be to decrease the duty cycles, es= sentially, place Dishy in =E2=80=9Csleep=E2=80=9D mode for a period of time e= ach slot. >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Mike >>> On Jun 25, 2021, 4:32 AM +0200, Nathan Owens , wrote: >>> That seems like a pretty good deal, only a small additional price (+5% t= o the service price) to pay for the ability to get high speed, (mostly) low l= atency connection where previously not possible. I think it=E2=80=99s pretty= impressive they got a phased array which transmits >500km down to 65W.=20 >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94Nathan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8:16 PM Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote: >>>> On 2021-06-24 at 6:36 p.m., Nathan Owens wrote: >>>> > The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. Might pull more in= snow >>>> > melt mode >>>>=20 >>>> That is still significant. About 600 kWh a year, which would cost me >>>> about USD 66. >>>>=20 >>>> Plus all the electricity required for snow/ice melt - of which I'll nee= d >>>> a lot, given that I live North of 60=C2=B0. >>>>=20 >>>> YMMV, depending on your cost of electricity. >>>> Daniel >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Starlink mailing list >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Starlink mailing list >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --Apple-Mail-A9E5E209-2F60-4D52-9ED3-4A50DE5A049D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm having issues keeping it powered in my r= emote location. Seems it doesn't like a non sine wave power. 

Sent from my TI-99/4a

On Jun 27, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Darrell Budic <budic@onholygrou= nd.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFBetter numbers than my pre-production hardware from April, I= =E2=80=99m seeing my sense report ~87w averages with 75-110w being normal. I= nteresting, I see peaks around 150w this week with heavy clouds, good =E2=80= =98ol ku bands being affected by the weather I expect. Last weeks heavy thun= derstorm caused frequent loss, but no total outage at least.
=
I wonder if it would be possible to run= less of the phased array much of the time, let portions of it sleep when it= wasn=E2=80=99t trying to move lots of data? Definitely don=E2=80=99t know e= nough about the system to know if it could operate that way, just speculatin= g.

  -Darrell=

On Jun 25, 2021, at 1:23 AM, Mike Puchol <mike@starlink.sx> wrote:

In terms of power usage, most of it is used to d= rive the phased array, in terms of each individual IC in the array, plus the= computational side of determining what each element should be doing, at ver= y high frequency. The terminal consumes more power in receive mode than tran= smit, funnily enough - because it needs to do more =E2=80=9Cdriving=E2=80=9D= in order to create a receive spot beam. 

The only way to truly save power would be to decrease the duty cycles, essen= tially, place Dishy in =E2=80=9Csleep=E2=80=9D mode for a period of time eac= h slot.

Best,

Mike
On Jun 25, 2021, 4:32 AM +0200,= Nathan Owens <nathan@nath= an.io>, wrote:
That seems like a pretty good deal, only a smal= l additional price (+5% to the service price) to pay for the ability to get h= igh speed, (mostly) low latency connection where previously not possible. I t= hink it=E2=80=99s pretty impressive they got a phased array which transmits &= gt;500km down to 65W. 

=E2=80=94Nathan


On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8:16 PM Daniel= AJ Sokolov <daniel@sokolov.eu.org> wrote:
On 2021-06-24 at 6:36 p.m., Nathan Owens wrote:
> The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. Might pull more in s= now
> melt mode

That is still significant. About 600 kWh a year, which would cost me
about USD 66.

Plus all the electricity required for snow/ice melt - of which I'll need
a lot, given that I live North of 60=C2=B0.

YMMV, depending on your cost of electricity.
Daniel

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