From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 216E73CB39 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 03:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 3B88Upju021329; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:30:51 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id ED012200C9C; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:30:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.12]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB6C200B4E; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:30:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.11.240.130] ([10.11.240.130]) by muguet1-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 3B88UowJ012355; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:30:50 +0100 Message-ID: <8a807397-edef-4dcc-bfa6-f9c1598cbc77@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:30:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: fr To: Freddie Cash Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <361ee9d0d01da491a6e2b132317d170b@ausics.net> <75790520d6c8d35beb7248f5f5dff952@ausics.net> <924492fc-6ce4-4e62-82d9-c8f0b50ee96d@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CEA-Virus: SOPHOS_SAVI_ERROR_OLD_VIRUS_DATA Subject: Re: [Starlink] Info on IP country ranges X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2023 08:30:53 -0000 Le 08/12/2023 à 06:57, Freddie Cash a écrit : > Dishy gets a /64 IF Dishy gets a /64 from the starlink operator then I am afraid one cant make subnets in home, because each other subnet needs a distinct /64. > and I've tested DHCPv6 on both my Firewalla and my USG. They do prefix > delegation to distribute that as a /56 locally. I am afraid it is not possible to make a /56 out of a /64 (the inverse is true). Alex > > No NAT required for IPv6 (incoming or outgoing) connections. And there > doesn't appear to be any restrictions on IPv6 traffic. > > This is with the round Dishy. > > Cheers, > Freddie > > Typos due to smartphone keyboard. > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2023, 3:54 a.m. Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink > wrote: > > > Le 04/12/2023 à 19:17, J Pan via Starlink a écrit : > > yes, starlink does respond to its customers' complaints, although > > sometimes slowly. its ipv4 address acquisition is scattered > around as > > a latecomer to the isp world, and as a global local isp, it's more > > troublesome. ip packets have to be tunneled back to its home pop > where > > nat and other functions happen, sometimes around the world, > causing a > > much higher minimum rtt fluctuation in 15-second handover > > intervals---bad for network protocols and applications. ipv6 can do > > better but currently follows the same route as ipv4---an > incentive to > > promote ipv6 ;-) > > Excellent incentive! > > It would be good to know whether the dishy router obtains a /56 or > a /64 > prefix from the starlink ISP.  That is easy to find out by just > looking > at the packets.  This would tell whether a NAT can be avoided at > home, > and hence more apps made possible. > > IT would also be good to  know whether the claimed IPv6 access on > dishy > is via a tunnel (IPv6 in IPv6, or IPv6 in IPv4) or it is 'native' (no > tunnel).  That will tell many things about additional latency that > might > be brought in by IPv6.  (we'd want less latency, not more). > > After that, one can look more at promoting IPv6.  Otherwise, IPv6 > might > still look as a hurdle, an obstacle, additional work that is too > little > necessary, or might even be worse than IPv4. > > Alex > > > -- > > J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, > Web.UVic.CA/~pan > > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:04 AM Noel Butler > wrote: > >> Thanks, it seems they are trying it on then :) > >> > >> On 04/12/2023 10:44, J Pan wrote: > >> > >> starlink advertises its customer ip address location at > >> http://geoip.starlinkisp.net (not always updated but good enough in > >> most cases and traceroute can confirm to some extent as well) > >> -- > >> J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, > Web.UVic.CA/~pan > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:15 PM Noel Butler via Starlink > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> I run an open access usenet server, but only for those within > my CC, so access is by IP based on our CC allocations from APNIC. > >> > >> Because IPv4 exhaustion this changes sometimes with buying > allocations from other regions, and if they get denied access I > encourage them to let us know so we can keep ACL's updated, I've > had a request from a starlink user who claims they are here, but > traceroute shows them in .DE > >> > >> tracing some 217.foo.ad.dr > >> > >> ... > >> 9 ae-6.r21.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net > (129.250.3.183) > 290.223 ms 290.180 ms ae-1.r20.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net > (129.250.7.35) 280.523 ms > >> 10 ae-1.a03.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net > (129.250.3.152) > 290.109 ms 289.667 ms 292.864 ms > >> 11 ae-0.spacex.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net > (213.198.72.19) > 279.611 ms 278.840 ms 279.592 ms > >> 12 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.189) 280.127 ms > 278.506 ms 284.265 ms > >> 13 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.209) 284.198 ms > undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.201) 274.663 ms 273.073 ms > >> 14 * * * > >> > >> > >> As it is our policy to not collect any user info or issue > user/pass's and  only allow access by IP, I'm hoping someone here > knows if they are full of it, or does starlink really assign > addresses from anywhere? That one hardly makes sense for user > experience, or maybe starlink has so few users in this country > they haven't bothered changing anything yet? > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Regards, > >> Noel Butler > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Regards, > >> Noel Butler > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >