From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (045-059-245-186.biz.spectrum.com [45.59.245.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73FBA3CB38 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.3.133]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485D91C8F52; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Colin_Higbie cc: "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8s587854-5233-porp-0qrs-6s7ro5093494@ynat.uz> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?iso8859-7?q?Sidebar_to_It=A2s_the_Latency=2C_FCC=3A_?= =?iso8859-7?q?Measure_it=3F?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 19:32:39 -0000 On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Colin_Higbie via Starlink wrote: > Will that 25Mbps requirement change in the future? Probably. It will probably > go up even though 4K HDR streaming will probably be achievable with less > bandwidth in the future due to further improvements in compression algorithms. > This is because, yeah, eventually maybe 8K or higher resolutions will be a > standard, or maybe there will be a higher bit depth HDR (that seems slightly > more likely to me). It's not at all clear though that's the case. At some > point, you reach a state where there is no benefit to higher resolutions. > Phones hit that point a few years ago and have stopped moving to higher > resolution displays. There is currently 0% of content from any major provider > that's in 8K (just some experimental YouTube videos), and a person viewing 8K > would be unlikely to report any visual advantage over 4K (SD -> HD is huge, HD > -> 4K is noticeable, 4K -> 8K is imperceptible for camera-recording scenes on > any standard size viewing experience). I'll point out that professional still cameras (DSLRs and the new mirrorless ones) also seem to have stalled with the top-of-the-line Canon and Nikon topping out at around 20-24 mp (after selling some models that went to 30p or so), Sony has some models at 45 mp. 8k video is in the ballpark of 30mp David Lang