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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink for Tonga? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 00:20:14 -0000 Indeed, and I know that FINTEL is involved, too. I'll believe it when I=20 see it working reliably ;-) At this point, the main action seems to have=20 been to apply for a license to operate with Fiji's regulator. Another question is whether any dishys have arrived in Tonga at this=20 point, and how they'll get to where they're needed most (Ha'apai and=20 Vava'u, normally connected to Tongatapu via the domestic cable, which is=20 also down just north of Tongatapu). I'm mindful here that Tonga is still=20 under strict Covid protocol. Deliveries are contactless and any goods=20 landed there are left airside / dockside for 3 days to "cool down"=20 before anyone local touches them (even that didn't help, though, some=20 dock workers still got infected off the Australian Navy ship that got an=20 outbreak on board). Intriguingly, the domestic cable got cut around 75 minutes before the=20 international one, so probably scored a direct hit from Hunga, although=20 the breakage point is closer to Tongatapu. The international outage=20 looks more like a secondary event. I'm actually quite pleased to see Starlink in Fiji, if only so they=20 start thinking about how they'll supply Pacific Islands, which to date=20 they simply don't. On 8/02/2022 12:47 pm, David Lang wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2022, Ulrich Speidel wrote: > >> FAIK FINTEL's Suva facility hasn't been affected (only outlying=20 >> islands in Fiji have been hit by tsunami with damage resulting, and=20 >> it's been largely minor). >> >> However, the FINTEL teleport you see on Google maps isn't Starlink=20 >> capable, and it's not a given that it would be available as a site=20 >> either, although there seems to be land around it that could be used=20 >> I suppose. > > this discussion started from reports that starlink engineers are on=20 > site in fiji working to install a starlink ground station to support=20 > Tonga and run it for 6 months. > > David Lang > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --=20 **************************************************************** Dr. Ulrich Speidel School of Computer Science Room 303S.594 (City Campus) Ph: (+64-9)-373-7599 ext. 85282 The University of Auckland ulrich@cs.auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ ****************************************************************