From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass header.d=lang.hm header.i=@lang.hm header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail2026 header.b=qTSzxp0p; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=lang.hm policy.dmarc=reject Received: from mail.lang.hm (mail.lang.hm [70.167.213.147]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D940C19A02B9; Wed, 04 Nov 2026 20:14:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from dlang-mobile.lang.hm (dlang-mobile.lang.hm [10.2.3.133]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32C2A3800236; Wed, 4 Nov 2026 12:14:05 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lang.hm; s=mail2026; t=1793819645; bh=yJNRTtfuXzsiH/fvXeQVTm0ezfFDA6yYuy8yP+ns8ps=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=qTSzxp0pW2QK2u9xdxv0H+VnG8m4thWR1Uciol4ApNVVdhhtmmQ5SS12CO6L6AsBH n10OGU+v0xLAafF5dJXHRzfFdTnT7lH4fb/8sMn//fiJNqBcPb06pjaVDlf6hrpfJw mVd0blrZ8p8HIRFoWOM3XnjXirv9P9KIY0B27uvYJAqcZJfGYeYrsmDzWbda8U8SfN RnGBPaMP/L6cbt9+xubuZNAbdEpLLnQ0xQRuCbe5eYPGEkClskXppWn0xxSOrVltY7 yvdZl8oq1FKjNL2KRxz6UA7FNqAalKfP0BAssfqWuu6E0ekvsaBNd1EHsb2tnD7wqk D9yd47LCAMCsA== Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2026 12:14:05 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: Sebastian Moeller cc: sascha@thexlab.org, "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=B4s_make_the?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?=" , Michael Welzl , Frantisek Borsik , Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat , Cake List , libreqos , Jeremy Austin via Rpm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <97sos3pq-n209-nr88-ops7-24qn6n06n5q0@ynat.uz> References: <409d88430a154642b1183accedfa97709d51d1e1586146c3a922af0a185d72f4@OS5P279MB0502.NORP279.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <66aec73e-351c-4db3-a63c-a9e69978e16b@thexlab.org> <1BA618A4-B68E-451A-AA58-FABA637DA83E@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: implicit-dest X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Message-ID-Hash: CPQNXI53REDTC764PF7TOMXFTBCINCK4 X-Message-ID-Hash: CPQNXI53REDTC764PF7TOMXFTBCINCK4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Nov 2026 09:04:52 +0100 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: [Bloat] Re: [NNagain] The French have decided to destroy the Internet within their own country by taxing Gigabits (Dr. Peering) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote: >> In essence, someone in France could VPN to a different country; neither the ISP or the VPN provider would know the specific content being accessed > > Indeed, and the law explicitly states that just received bytes for the ISPs customers are to be counted, per ASN and the bill is supposed to be sent to that ASN, independent of whether that ASN is the true source or what kind of data we are talking about... actually the law states that neither destination (the specific enduser) nor content are to be looked at/reported/aggregated. so if a packet transitions multiple ISPs, each one would generate a bill for the traffic? what a way to entrench large ISPs (I may be misunderstanding something) David Lang