From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB4B93B29D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 05:10:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1664442646; bh=mLM+/f0vb0gEfuVhBHWp2LMt3IRhddZ2D4+8ifEn4hI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Ds36pnQXeg3sf+D13eegQOX3i8/OeyWD3Qw8/2BNtWavG+z/rYNiwzF8lQz2G4t5g 9aTzVhvJWbqmBUrqwtYpLX0cieouIvIee8bFPpKUGeLXnUmSot17pFDBuVfVBB+niR BXSPBqiTYgAoMhKmi2TorBi2lVog38b2hVs0Q9A4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MZCbB-1ohrvT3U8X-00VAQI; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:10:46 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:10:45 +0200 Cc: David Lang , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9BBC901E-B98E-4C0D-BEEF-2F6D56AB27A3@gmx.de> References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> To: Eugene Y Chang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8p2kHr9Hberl8pf0ea39NNe0F1I0eXcDzyn7A+7Vwpaq9ySDm1M DTJ571tBAx0xeVX2cSY+hKovgh0BHmNcy527Dwa+nyFuu9lQZO061wjBr5OCi4lDX6VPFqZ EAPNlcdlaFNDiN6sYIxnjDOkmvp+mzW2UKjK2tJKB4iYqRVc7D19Z8KOKRHi47VVWNlJRsb ugGuZt5t04dgV5v+/G4VA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:7pbsd4NNAjM=:x8NKr6Su+rfyaxbLtraPhn kjt8jZAJYJhHviXPgOU4ArIcR/d3bkIKZnB7lgxEr2JeuQvLhN0p5H5qjl1XA3PAnbPk1TuMc a24BRRJmVRiyvSthhRHu4oRKsaPhCCmIhvVVk4O2mVrUA6a3O1HEcnzrQNS19VqW3Qd+i2p0v SR4fUR0rfqLWAUV/nwL2pATjxG1i0OEJytBL3KhCvj81tZWiKPzzSxf4kC3HcVBUXtB1Q0D19 NhPuDMlpq58+pL8QCGoxn0mqfY75gtHMe9f5r9jzVOFF4AOj7HNz8GgQ9xe/KawRigQRgWAem XsruZbzk/B337lOueZ7X4YeH1uDLVk2zLbK02HNi0it3A8ref8OvqWQaXpf3ezFzpP8pO3UUy sQCFZ1iw7xjDM3TC9fFpwnp22QlQe+rvvYm17VgbdHaoqHbYV6pFi7dBWUt0bhwtxY+iHLfxx vuvdCa6llouxwdsR/GND19PVbScxYqirXNPY7z/6JZguFoLOYRxGp8XXxl+Hi3bmmY4TvoUYJ Pw3FG1zkKhnXjhdRP4w1kSpGxusZex8GEJSoqxHfWJkjxOjBYVuyDGz6/KLH6Og4/XrcnoUnh A+h0WDXotzyA5HPmk5u8WWsnjJ/0UcUdjT6ICfh5D1bt78SHf2XhowjZlXp1WD6htigUdF0PS jgP5djs2WF1gnCzMyNsCYv6q9D9Xh7oOu0Hu6uJ4jQ3zC/vUEEVUzoNArwr4lYxLCXjBGLYe+ vtSuJ/Va+wFbuS/mMeYxc2eHvVuYONsd4hdKZyzK1fsUkKqD3hzNmqOKIqDrhXKK2E8mZ78I7 wjRtofCzM58eDmuGAz0aHv/2xCBHERQEHT5KAx56Qo9/PNtH5h/CquZMYx+EwwCD4Lf74m5Ov yim/AT2VfAu2AhubDshrIci7Mr2PVzXEpxnJcNSQov8uYn+XMe8VhygQyvcRKqYERxg0KJ+/E 3nJN342ZEgAGuj4iU3ayOWrAZvIAPf/yb8SJeMROGXwkaR6/sjWZYoLGoW/pKitKgms2ZGxHL krhvXfrGM65PuFnHk82zm6vpRGA4ePddIwBxGAujHiSjvLro4kwaW1GIdo8ARkHqpo8IYNnXv EKNvNqlv5wfkigZEaNbeYJyPSpJMmJcqg9VvWaPTuX94iOXIqwMxM1Y/snjWbILJx0ySPgqQ6 gfqjHyuxZeCsWxDi+2sxRLDXYb Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:10:51 -0000 > On Sep 29, 2022, at 09:50, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink = wrote: >=20 > Good point=E2=80=A6 that sure makes matching new capacity to new = subscribers really hard. [SM] Or easy: "just" add more satellites ;) some of the added = capacity should also end up at new subscribers... SCNR Regards Sebastian >=20 > Gene > ---------------------------------------------- > Eugene Chang > IEEE Senior Life Member > eugene.chang@ieee.org > 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang wrote: >>=20 >> that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite = doesn't pass over the same land each orbit. >>=20 >> David Lang >>=20 >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote: >>=20 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000 >>> From: Eugene Y Chang >>> To: David Lang >>> Cc: Eugene Chang , Dotzero = , >>> Dave Taht via Starlink >>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >>> Yes and no. >>>=20 >>> Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For = a given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.) >>>=20 >>> Depending on your definition of =E2=80=9Cone area=E2=80=9D when you = say =E2=80=9Cnot in any one area=E2=80=9D. >>> Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where = the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) = satellites. >>>=20 >>> Sorry, when I say =E2=80=9Cadd service to an area=E2=80=9D, it = implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new = satellite orbit. >>>=20 >>> https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=3Dstarlink = >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Gene >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> Eugene Chang >>> IEEE Senior Life Member >>> eugene.chang@ieee.org >>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up = the contellation overall, not in any one area. >>>>=20 >>>> David Lang >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000 >>>>> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >>>>> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang >>>>> To: Dotzero >>>>> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink >>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >>>>> What is the definition and differences between regular and best = effort service? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort = subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D. = With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" = backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the = constellation (i.e. where to add capacity). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Gene >>>>> ---------------------------------------------- >>>>> Eugene Chang >>>>> IEEE Senior Life Member >>>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org >>>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received = an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as = they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, = I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). = You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have = anything to lose. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input = appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> According to = https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3DUS= = , latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs = and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to = congestion. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Mike >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Starlink mailing list >>>>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Starlink mailing list >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink