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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 04:39:57 -0000 FWIW, I gave a talk about Starlink - insights from a year in - at last=20 week's APNIC56 conference in Kyoto: https://conference.apnic.net/56/program/program/#/day/6/technical-2/ Also well worth looking at is Geoff Huston's excellent piece on the=20 foreseeable demise of TCP in favour of QUIC in the same session. One of=20 Geoff's main arguments is that the Internet is becoming local, i.e.,=20 most traffic goes between a CDN server and you, and most data is=20 becoming proprietary to the application owner, meaning it suits the=20 Googles and Facebooks of this world very well not to be using TCP for=20 its transport, but rather pull the transport specifics into the=20 application layer where the have full control. Food for thought, especially since LEO networks are a particularly bad=20 place to put local content caches, since the concept of what's "local"=20 in a LEO network changes constantly, at around 20,000 miles an hour or=20 so. Spoke to a Rwandan colleague who installs Starlink there and sees=20 all traffic to anywhere go via the US with RTTs of nearly 2 seconds,=20 even if the Rwandan user is trying to access a Rwandan service. About to hop onto a plane (ZK-NZJ) tonight with free WiFi (Ka band GEO)=20 enroute to Auckland in the hope of getting a better experience than last=20 time when the system seemed to run out of IP addresses on its DHCP. --=20 **************************************************************** Dr. Ulrich Speidel School of Computer Science Room 303S.594 (City Campus) The University of Auckland u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ ****************************************************************