From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78EB43B29E for ; Thu, 4 May 2023 09:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.69]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D50718B7B1; Thu, 4 May 2023 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Dave Taht cc: David Lang , Nathan Owens , Dave Taht via Starlink In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9s8p4214-637n-o30s-722n-839s88650p18@ynat.uz> References: <91393r13-o4r5-2n49-43q1-spr79r900q7q@ynat.uz> <2q95n7po-r6n1-2o92-527s-5r307nrp2r0q@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="228850167-946228025-1683206463=:15245" Subject: Re: [Starlink] 9 starlink flights planned for june X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2023 13:21:04 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --228850167-946228025-1683206463=:15245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Adding SLC-6 will help the pad congestion, we haven't heard of them contracting for a 4th landing barge yet. David Lang On Thu, 4 May 2023, Dave Taht wrote: > To break the bottlenecks you describe below, it seems like either > export to countries otherwise attempting their own massive launch > programs, or leverage of bases the USA has around the world, would be > needed. > > On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 6:34 PM David Lang wrote: >> >> On Wed, 3 May 2023, Dave Taht wrote: >> >>> Thx as always for ever more links to information. They recently >>> attempted launch from two pads on nearly the same day, I am wondering >>> what the turnaround time is for boosters these days, and how much >>> inventory they have. If they can improve their cycle time, 9/month >>> seems achievable on the 3 pads they have, aside from conflicts with >>> other launches. >> >> rykllan posts infographics for most launches (not just SpaceX) but for SpaceX >> launches she shows the history of the booster used, including the turnaround >> time for each launch >> >> https://twitter.com/_rykllan >> >> for tonight's launch, the refurb times have been 47, 44, 55, 55 48, 250 days >> (going back in time) >> >> SpaceX just leased SLC-6 at Vandenberg (Shuttle, Delta pad) and has stated that >> their plan is to set it up to be able to launch the Falcon Heavy and Falcon 9 >> >> I think their biggest limiting factors are pad availability and landing barge >> availability. >> >>> Random thought - other launch sites long term? This was built to great >>> fanfare a while back >>> >>> https://www.spaceportamerica.com/business/lease-build/ >> >> Virgin Galactic has had a pause on their flights for a while. I understand that >> they are soon going to do another employee only flight, but then expect to be >> able to start carrying paying customers >> >>> Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiana_Space_Centre >> >> It's heavily used by the ESA, but with the fallout from the Ukraine war, ESA >> lost access to Russian rockets that were launched out of there. They are almost >> out of Ariane 5 rockets to launch from there. Ariane 6 was supposed to fly in >> 2020, but they are now hoping to launch the first one late this year (or next >> year) >> >>> And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwajalein_Atoll >> >> Pegasus is pretty much dead, there was a mission a couple years ago that was >> carefully tailored to be a match for the Pegasus @$25m launch cost, but SpaceX >> won the bid and used a dedicated Falcon 9 (it's not public what the winning bid >> cost, but we can infer from the Pegasus marketing material and their failure to >> win the bid) >> >> I think that's just too far from the ability to generate fuel for any serious >> launch capacity. >> >> David Lang >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> David Lang >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 3 May 2023, Nathan Owens via Starlink wrote: >>>> >>>>> FWIW, many of those are likely to slip, there are a number of commercial >>>>> launches in June/July. Depends if they re-shuffle Group 6 ahead of other >>>>> shells. >>>>> >>>>> Upcoming non-starlink launches from the cape: >>>>> >>>>> May: >>>>> - Arabsat 7A (SLC-40) >>>>> >>>>> June: >>>>> - CRS-28 (LC-39A) >>>>> - WorldView Legion 1 & 2 (SLC-40) >>>>> - Axiom 2 (LC-39A), TBD >>>>> - Turksat 6A (39A or 40) >>>>> - Astranis (39A or 40) >>>>> - O3b MPower 5 & 6 (39A or 40) >>>>> >>>>> July: >>>>> - Galaxy 37 (39A or 40) >>>>> - USSF-52 (39A) >>>>> - Euclid (39A or 40) >>>>> - USSF-36 (39A or 40) >>>>> - Thuraya 4-NGS (39A or 40) >>>>> >>>>> August: >>>>> - Crew 7 (39A) >>>>> - Echostar 24 (39A) >>>>> >>>>> Sept: >>>>> - Axiom 3 (39A) >>>>> - Polaris Dawn (39A) >>>>> - Ovzon 3 (39A or 40) >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:19 PM Dave Taht via Starlink < >>>>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ḿind boggling. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/VirtuallyNathan/status/1653867999919751169 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Podcast: >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ >>>>>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Starlink mailing list >>>>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Starlink mailing list >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > --228850167-946228025-1683206463=:15245--