From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81FDC3B2A4 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:06:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1702836388; x=1703441188; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=qFjGA4L/hIj+eCxZq5c1bbwju93zRGy/HFz1ujep0ek=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References; b=uis/Hk9Xq+pSZORzRvZS+HnAIlFHViu0bXlBVx8ya3fJGFmp6l/hP+9vjUA4/Shl YmuMVZl/KEmk5YTCe4URTCzMCm7nBRdOnXVwRSD3OePxrviQnU4yhnlpFkS7PvOt0 7OQTKx+ejvtdLEPAePLd0ueQndWGRTJ3T/k8NLJQxV9BXPSmy9zNiE5kHpwHIAKLC uWQeBAUEZ85/Ix5zwkLhrXcX75kiB6jr70TLjaJfwxLzqDvffd6ITUGPW1cG/SXAN KARErfYUwmue1TKuKFPNhA7IeTmzqKmihPrG0wVIRAheBw70fVUPH0so8sqYgaB48 hSWHMTzE7F24p2Em7w== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([77.3.92.175]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MuDbx-1rT9b71VQD-00uacq; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 19:06:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 19:06:23 +0100 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Alexandre Petrescu , Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink , "Livingood, Jason" , Gert Doering CC: "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> <02cc2879-ef99-4388-bc1e-335a4aaff6aa@gmail.com> <9F816847-F1F7-467D-85CA-4FE70EDD3D44@comcast.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wT88a+WX4C/KJ0UXqp2ASYEvK5uz+Hw+I2l76NatVUB/ZWqF0vK tAZPdwslDDNNxCUJ/0jZ1siAVhTXlfVNTH83KbkoK/JoeKLgg8VK7YvdRyWPrvV3HEULEbw czYaZEIM8ykmPVHfz9L+aMbzmeDYBzheKcDzQAP0bWtdAEp+8u4EZslMdLVN1LLlcblt69O 0AxW8N+qAZFvH26abI9aw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:+0dAeDre6dE=;sYTqQS4FaLDcDcAZRCy6owcf+4F JrNZq5DTKX1Qmz0dwwU+8Hb7jYPZczZFqmiZtY5+HPHu2TMNksjJx31cmgu2uIy3wKAyazAHQ 15K3vVtfWgP0hy4ZDgKFnOJrq4knAPOmd7ACVn6mDNYEBRj9g5XdiO9uLfAoYMbpZ5iVyRoU4 VP4hz+sYWaVKrM15sM6EDh5MA86A/tB0K3UEQ3qbr5BV9PrGZz0yJgGmN8I+yVZws5O3gI9/J kCVRjnCQnMuXUNzeFFHLXFbLYj9aFec1l+553BkTRoKezjWJwKwhtDDXyHzqXgZ8cbBAWnR1C QaIj3143vYrirJ4gSe3umnG7Ke5rSABAqA2h01Lb9OZSg/oQX3X7Ib0gnXc5vS1IeO09wClH4 nfcS4tmF2t8UAuJv4nLUx2V7kI4dlizjeKySEu50Adb3GllBoBC/s0nrPTDS5SGdx6NkGzfpb QGgJoBcEI2QemhB3QkcWIeiON6Awd14y752Y0ErTlqGcJmVIlEE010ZIOF8+WUGDNzSfqxbUc ZiIs8G5s6mnm08n5Dgtc68daPV/JtTzMj8IBTeHl3SETfWYZTmA5zjmVeireBIRE0i8grkfFF FsQmJXJ0rvgQUPhpgC2JRAjwBFG2VETew0mPZCh1LQB4Fz5GnewpuAmAB/nSkm2OTVXDjpDFU CGDysAtCkhZMI41I4AtkG9k0VsniAJYBctm8yPSxzpKopZca0HUNPaOSdaTCcBScQqxf8Z34z /sakVarZsCwbENGgrl97pvIrNHkl5TKM0WWctiZMG3PpBtj4MdAkazwTdIdpRa6/OhHqx0rQu 6MGy8IhlRZtDIGSPnxNOBOe9FxXGnOugLjrxEYLZB6CRmKf8yQTLwR+GuzssMbt3tBtt3qrIw HohpCxo4jrLGnWPYv5aTXiD/DRqYlsEH6PGt6gHgK9sorx28dCe2USKU2yJmF1jZ3e9J0JkoC S2ybeg== Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:06:33 -0000 Hi Alexandre, On 17 December 2023 18:32:39 CET, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink wrote: > >Le 15/12/2023 =C3=A0 16:46, Livingood, Jason a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >[=2E=2E=2E] >> The notion that a home user needs 25G or more these days is ridiculous= =2E ;-) >:-) yes and no=2E >If one had a 25 gbit/s line arriving at home one might want to try multip= le TV 3D 8K viewers=20 [SM] To be useful this arguably requires multiple pairs of eyeball= s though and the respektive sreens/vr goggles=2E And the stomach to actuall= y tolerate 3D=2E=2E=2E and recordings, while ongoing DSD4096 5=2E1 audio streamings (even 11=2E1)= =2E >Besides, 25gbit/s might feature such a low latency=20 [SM] Serialisation delay, the one delay that mostly scales inverse= ly to access rate tends to be in the noise well below 25Gbps=2E See e=2Eg= =2E here https://wiki=2Egeant=2Eorg/display/public/EK/SerializationDelay se= rialisation delay of a single 1500 Byte packet at 1 Gbps sits at 12 =CE=BCs= that is a queue of ~80 of these has an aggregate serialization delay of ~1= ms=2E I think it is safe to say that well below 25Gbps serialization delay = stops becoming dominant=2E=2E=2E=20 that many existing apps (telemedecine including) might work much better=2E [SM] I severely daubt that telemedicine is going to notice much di= fference once we are above the required bitrate for the video codec :) Side note: I might be an unfrozen/rethawed caveman, but I consider telemed= icine not a 'killer' app (sorry, bad terminology) for large capacity access= links=2E Regards Sebastian >Alex >_______________________________________________ >Starlink mailing list >Starlink@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/starlink --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E