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[72.253.196.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g9-20020a625209000000b0053e4cec4763sm5320756pfb.160.2022.09.29.00.50.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Eugene Y Chang Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_54CE2EE9-E93F-4F27-BE74-34C925CB2EF2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:50:53 -1000 In-Reply-To: Cc: Eugene Chang , Dotzero , Dave Taht via Starlink To: David Lang References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 07:50:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_54CE2EE9-E93F-4F27-BE74-34C925CB2EF2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_193FEE24-CDB1-47D8-8EEE-A9A22CF1F9BE" --Apple-Mail=_193FEE24-CDB1-47D8-8EEE-A9A22CF1F9BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Good point=E2=80=A6 that sure makes matching new capacity to new = subscribers really hard. Gene ---------------------------------------------- Eugene Chang IEEE Senior Life Member eugene.chang@ieee.org 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang wrote: >=20 > that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite doesn't = pass over the same land each orbit. >=20 > David Lang >=20 > On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote: >=20 >> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000 >> From: Eugene Y Chang >> To: David Lang >> Cc: Eugene Chang , Dotzero = , >> Dave Taht via Starlink >> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >> Yes and no. >>=20 >> Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a = given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.) >>=20 >> Depending on your definition of =E2=80=9Cone area=E2=80=9D when you = say =E2=80=9Cnot in any one area=E2=80=9D. >> Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where = the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) = satellites. >>=20 >> Sorry, when I say =E2=80=9Cadd service to an area=E2=80=9D, it = implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new = satellite orbit. >>=20 >> https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=3Dstarlink = >>=20 >>=20 >> Gene >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Eugene Chang >> IEEE Senior Life Member >> eugene.chang@ieee.org >> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >>>=20 >>> The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up = the contellation overall, not in any one area. >>>=20 >>> David Lang >>>=20 >>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000 >>>> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >>>> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang >>>> To: Dotzero >>>> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink >>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >>>> What is the definition and differences between regular and best = effort service? >>>>=20 >>>> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, = the best effort subscribers are more =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D. With that, = treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it = would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation = (i.e. where to add capacity). >>>>=20 >>>> Gene >>>> ---------------------------------------------- >>>> Eugene Chang >>>> IEEE Senior Life Member >>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org >>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received = an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as = they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, = I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). = You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have = anything to lose. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input = appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio. >>>>>=20 >>>>> According to = https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3DUS= = , latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs = and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to = congestion. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Mike >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Starlink mailing list >>>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Starlink mailing list >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_193FEE24-CDB1-47D8-8EEE-A9A22CF1F9BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Good = point=E2=80=A6 that sure makes matching new capacity to new subscribers = really hard.

Gene
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Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life = Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
781-799-0233 (in = Honolulu)



On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> = wrote:

that strip of land is different every orbit, a given = satellite doesn't pass over the same land each orbit.

David Lang

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, = Eugene Y Chang wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000
From: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
To: David Lang = <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Eugene Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>, Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com>,    Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: = Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
Yes and = no.

Yes they can beef up the constellation, = one section at a time. (For a given launch, the are enhancing a = particular orbit.)

Depending on your = definition of =E2=80=9Cone area=E2=80=9D when you say =E2=80=9Cnot in = any one area=E2=80=9D.
Technically they would beef up an = area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the = orbit of the additional (new) satellites.

Sorry, when I say =E2=80=9Cadd service to an area=E2=80=9D, = it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new = satellite orbit.

https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=3Dstarlink = <https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=3Dstarlink>

Gene
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Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
781-799-0233 (in = Honolulu)



On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 = PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:

The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you = beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area.

David Lang

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, = Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 = 13:07:43 -1000
From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink = <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Reply-To: Eugene Y = Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
To: Dotzero = <dotzero@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink = <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: = [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
What is the = definition and differences between regular and best effort service?

Creating two bookings queue, wait list and = best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more = =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a = (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize = where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity).

Gene
----------------------------------------------
Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
781-799-0233 (in = Honolulu)



On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 = AM, Dotzero via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> = wrote:

I've been on the wait list for = almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a = "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated = time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't = lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort = service so I don't really have anything to lose.

Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input = appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio.

According to = https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3DUS= = <https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3D= US>, latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be = 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to = congestion.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

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