From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B986E3B29D for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-32fbf271346so1899676f8f.1 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:21:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=connectivitycap.com; s=google; t=1699737700; x=1700342500; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LJ2JyrCMW4Rhm1AgvjquZ1kByon/3bPjdhkm/k92kVM=; b=tojxgIvySN4bR6w0Rq98XgaPWmvvreonk6wJybLHEOqzcNFA5c5gQhb0PJbRrUGwPc 3NuB79P/klo7mGaNcN5LP/aZN98iip48T1l4/f5rlBud33tlAqSYAV9NrDcm9XlJvFHN ckj/TKMyt9t4jpnA4ZkitTD2wwoGwILAW+gnrID2lDRZVMieT+VLRrzbyVsAopiDkrs+ NGu+VEv+PBNyj3M4+sLYGsbn40p6g9l04wK7zlZSPc+dGqVl0vAx44GzeeZTjYmZVapj SQ+hWSP9Fqi1SYeqcenMQuekqYQ+eHVzbhYwoxEwCsOasCWKsTBLBANbbnsiPIqQa+ky Sz3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699737700; x=1700342500; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LJ2JyrCMW4Rhm1AgvjquZ1kByon/3bPjdhkm/k92kVM=; b=fS2QgxTJBA0aAq+KloEpxM2CmmvzGD0y3PIuwHFC/GnlVFF8nsLTOIiRNlnF9kEs0k vL4/5+iAgvBr65k5b1/fVl+8h5QVyF/MIFmf6DcPXIe+f9M4rS21sFDKO4D4ryH0gOGa 3KL6X/1DfoAErZu2H7FzsHL4CutCtFCKBv9yvmx0DW4WVbcYvykxIK7g/fZGOAAAtrdz WHKP+2AKd2Jfq6+gCgp/0IOfD2PFqk3PvHW6SwOWJdDutpwzsY0mHrXH11s/E5Rzz4B4 nIvdGPKWQRMCRx5OeSLvxDoPNy5I3NswAS7DmF5gVFSLeaPHISN8HHpdbmWmApUuTWgQ MwKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzr0tHFgulW38vqy38QbofqBKQXJEUsJLPK0XloJMYa6dbjpn+c P9e5y7MIuz+8XISrPOvRewWNxA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEInGDyyEkevUb/YdRJ8xuVJ3Wdi/UoPdJw5pNIuvC/Eg9g5BZ6ttO9Dcltjo84qKDfnl8jNA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f007:0:b0:32f:b926:3596 with SMTP id j7-20020adff007000000b0032fb9263596mr2106088wro.63.1699737700171; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([105.28.119.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f15-20020a5d50cf000000b0032f78feb826sm2153686wrt.104.2023.11.11.13.21.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Forster Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_77079854-9A5A-4F5B-8C21-EF498C84C90D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:21:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow , Brian Longwe , Starlink To: Dave Taht References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.200.91.1.1) Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink in Kenya (Lennox Omondi) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:21:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_77079854-9A5A-4F5B-8C21-EF498C84C90D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 (Very briefly) IXPs are great, but these days mostly need CDNs as not so much traffic = is between ISPs =E2=80=94 it seems most consumers are heavy users of = FANG-ish site. Maybe sighlty different I guess for business users, but = still... Local CDNs have huge value, but need more traffic than most smaller ISPs = can muster. That=E2=80=99s where IXPs can shine now, if they somehow = get some CDN/cachess. Habari.co.tz has done that for the Arusha IXP they = manage. I think that=E2=80=99s what Brian @ CTN is trying to do as = well. Over in the Philippines, Rise.ph has done a great job doing this = with their Getafix.ph. See = https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7113399324490813440/ = for a bit more about them. =E2=80=94 Jim > On Nov 11, 2023, at 7:57=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via Starlink = wrote: >=20 > Africa, and for that matter, rural america, could use more IXPs and > CDNs. I have been watching brian's progress here eagerly, but as the > info for what he and jim and so many others are attempting to create > in Africa has been arriving daily piecemeal, --Apple-Mail=_77079854-9A5A-4F5B-8C21-EF498C84C90D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
(Very = briefly)

IXPs are great, but these days mostly need = CDNs as not so much traffic is between ISPs =E2=80=94 it seems most = consumers are heavy users of FANG-ish site.  Maybe sighlty = different I guess for business users, but = still...

Local CDNs have huge value, but need more = traffic than most smaller ISPs can muster.  That=E2=80=99s where = IXPs can shine now, if they somehow get some CDN/cachess. Habari.co.tz = has done that for the Arusha IXP they manage.  I think that=E2=80=99s= what Brian @ CTN is trying to do as well.  Over in the = Philippines, Rise.ph has done a great job doing this with their = Getafix.ph.  See https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:711339932449= 0813440/ for a bit more about = them.


 =E2=80=94 = Jim

On Nov 11, 2023, = at 7:57=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via Starlink = <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Africa, = and for that matter, rural america, could use more IXPs and
CDNs. I have been watching brian's progress = here eagerly, but as the
info = for what he and jim and so many others are attempting to = create
in Africa has been = arriving daily = piecemeal,

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