From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C407F3B29D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-790fb9d1b55so200522585a.3 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1714516936; x=1715121736; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HULepJDkdaiWEJwYBWnbXO2ngoKyQCLnS2sXEKhZobw=; b=GI7cefQTRDD6AE+NW++gGRmr4KJMD8L7IliwCNNQRQvkyv1WIXJO0XZfW2YSAx+eBj AWfMvSV0XshTmQfi1KgFjQPRIQvB9T82wy/8F4YIEOURftaPcbUI5d2W0wjnU77BA7b2 UPVH7PLpfs8O6IXZLYzhsCaMbNZIrwn3AY5rul2IcjWr2tvYjHmJppQw72vZxtWCOPOD OeB64YxdNLfQxER5obUqbhpBmO7CGpclweF0JCPNZ1KrSC1y0PJy+q6WUYG1VnekKg80 1k+oAoFyRHEMQK3z0k6IyEUoFYAUDVSRC/TIoCZaFq5Cal/XBqOGlznIRSQNRikQQ8Un xCcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1714516936; x=1715121736; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HULepJDkdaiWEJwYBWnbXO2ngoKyQCLnS2sXEKhZobw=; b=MdWnmb9Gw7Xdfhp+kCzrwbrGav0pwk/5qrP6TUbhBUAQORaufoiOF1Zp5xcsPiAFTm lQtzhPcsMyIrA4gN/H4eb2ldjr3nHkGSHTIbzH86iR6hFmQ570yVBtd1xupGd2vSb1ih mO32ROevIzgXzYJllY6abBOFICZYvzf3m7Irfn/EN+cL4HEmbZCcX2BaQpKrF5YD9x6Q rlz5wfGOzOZlztF2nGBMi5jv9Rm3iarMkDOIsryJ4wEA5kx2JwiNfy6fT1P+2IhlKpj7 GMRi0eBR6VHKNuTZjn+bH2rNWA2XE41aeUxsZR9orcfV148WMlWLJbEF8un2E5tYITgM IJVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxNrctCPmvCKTiAXiopjayMxDpet2MSeKettQe0wjK8DE/h93Q3 3iv8VWy0H7iza8Bw2nZ8+LyV41GoqHId/5oCr1vt8N5QICFwehzf X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGCh4MNhU65goJhHGJ4rS26x6zYMyaxycVBY+VuxbLin6yhFU4pYTuMyywyiDGH7dbteDgnQw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1249:b0:6a0:cca2:2d7c with SMTP id r9-20020a056214124900b006a0cca22d7cmr911493qvv.63.1714516936085; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id mx12-20020a0562142e0c00b006a0e8481a14sm539538qvb.114.2024.04.30.15.42.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_046CE0E9-D546-488E-B5F4-15E90CAAE621" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.8\)) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:42:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.8) Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?It=E2=80=99s_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:42:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_046CE0E9-D546-488E-B5F4-15E90CAAE621 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > I think that the starlink results will create competitive pressure on = the landline ISPs (and starlink will continue their rapid growth, being = that they drop their next hop direct into multiple cdns).=20 Of course, it's important to remember that Starlink "cheated" - they are = using science! (Even if we did have to browbeat them to pay = attention...) > That=C2=B4s why I sank 3 years into this project, and this list, = working for free, and I hope it pays off with better internet for = everyone. Thanks, Dave!= --Apple-Mail=_046CE0E9-D546-488E-B5F4-15E90CAAE621 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

I think that the starlink results will create competitive = pressure on the landline ISPs (and starlink will continue their rapid = growth, being that they drop their next hop direct into multiple = cdns). 

Of = course, it's important to remember that Starlink "cheated" - they are = using science! (Even if we did have to browbeat them to pay = attention...)

That=C2=B4s why I sank 3 years into = this project, and this list, working for free, and I hope it pays off = with better internet for = everyone.

Thanks, Dave!
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