Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army?

[Larry Press <lpress@csudh.edu>]

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SpaceX has given a more detailed statement of expenses to the Pentagon:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html

They have been "paid" in favorable publicity and have tested/refined things like mobile connectivity.

Aren't the companies that supply weapons, ammunition, etc. paid?

Larry


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From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of David Lang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:28 AM
To: Kurtis Heimerl <kheimerl@cs.washington.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army?

Having now read more info on this, less significant than the $80m total figure
is the $20m/month figure he quoted. With 15k dishes as the figure that they sent
(separate from whatever has been purchased on the commercial side), that works
out to 1.3k/dish/month, which is very high.

now, not being able to deploy reliable ground stations inside Ukraine could be
driving up costs, plus the ongoing battle against jamming. But in his tweet he
also cites satellite costs, which should not be allocated as "Ukraine related"
costs (and I don't think the cyberdefense and jamming defense work should be
either)

David Lang

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, Kurtis Heimerl via Starlink wrote:

> This thread (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456__;!!P7nkOOY!reUDfoQpkbJ6YAQ6h436UHdL9D0lnxDeqlc29JPUsrl8V_02dlWYYFi4zfQ-CCRLKetEGxza7FjOyJDcUURE6WtPnA$  )
> strongly argues that Starlink is largely paid for their service, at
> least on the consumer side. I imagine there are significant
> operational expenses in dealing with the various actors involved but
> not on the basic model.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 9:06 AM Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink
> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> > In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the
>> > expectation that it’s a “freemium” model, it’s very hard to get out of it. If
>> > you then claim your costs are way higher than what analysis work out, eyebrows
>> > raise way above the hairline.
>>
>> Uh.  Hmm.
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