From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x42e.google.com (mail-wr1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98C023B29E for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id y16so9176352wrm.2 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:07:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=k24MIRRPJGYEcM2McU6XNEmUHJOIB0hqBrC0YCTYh1c=; b=EXDuPGZaAqoIVDpxrNGhNgZPVkDjIRNWfWjHsJPCKHu16YS3cSVWyKZIcB22602T1w 0+B+ETtCCAIA1Sbj+lb6MGyfhQlFVzahpTV/gKGdOX7VpPsqK/jzZz0mPBvg2RVQcIVj crBfQtXAKOwmSNgn+Cr8qCO8mzT1pABfElQLXkxYfOnc55Zxi+AK9CtX5ASlXt3pNXV2 a2tX+kzkuEGgd3h2GCCO7Prg4m3g6JW8cF0HAndeTDvTwvGiEUFQllgFmXTHenAWIosM EPl2EWRKFU4A3bJ5iXRfbwH4hWsUwr3lM6nfOGllCviLT+D/PISU/wxtFjMCuOBJkw6x 5N5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=k24MIRRPJGYEcM2McU6XNEmUHJOIB0hqBrC0YCTYh1c=; b=yophpq5yHiHgrT77W8dpVjGVjhw0V0kzBSTT9HLrw0NKQ24tQmD/Vh+c7Fk4hLk3PH sX8iKe16lPfv2YkEHKkadN51FCvv02HxsUxuD84cPd5PFq6HG2nAliXLSbqYegWaR4b/ snkClzVarbCsrLTN2WZiwtawd0N650b5afR7cXvTQVmGMDCVTPP3NHNRXP+1nVAlQ9Ch UCObtlueiGNNGe5ou5qOsVhLwvg1XSFexJf6a9qgHO7EMCFftc+MFO8O9bdropfRkdjt JOss7HI2mNxnpPrEA2nxjIMkT1HgUvw0Zcv1lxtRx6Eqt3M93zEFqXnETnAn0dD03CCk LdpA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pn+xOLX5UK+5+vxQNovvY+XOfrblHCLHHNq6THxFJ3iNa01ywyJ gyu+Puu0C1WDwH33O7VP35BOZDz8gv/GBF0owsdjFTDN X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4A/2A73NJbACiRmf8nQYSluv9xYk0J4x9JQfy7EvcKMDgpSuKGbWdUbu6A2SJxX7EjueLW6dqmIouCz0oi/O0= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:510c:0:b0:242:82f5:fe65 with SMTP id s12-20020a5d510c000000b0024282f5fe65mr4647225wrt.688.1671466038995; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <41798860-aac5-7f36-3def-76c3400182a2@olegkutkov.me> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:07:04 -0800 Message-ID: To: Eric Cc: David Lang , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink terminal detector X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 16:07:20 -0000 On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 7:54 AM Eric via Starlink wrote: > > Get a bunch of US$3 ESP8266 devices, set them up in AP mode with spoofed = Starlink MACs and BSSIDs, power them with solar cells + old vape-pen batter= ies and spread them all over the place. There's nothing like causing the o= ther side to shoot $50k missiles at a $15 decoy. Well, the difference in amount of traffic generated by an idle AP vs one in use would be large, and the interference caused by simulating traffic on the other APs a pita, but narrow channels and a bunch of APs does thin the herd. Meshy mode, at least adhoc, has fewer identifying signatures in the packet header, making an "AP" less obvious. > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Sunday, December 18th, 2022 at 20:49, David Lang via Starlink wrote: > > > > and change the name of the starlink wifi so it doesn't stand out as muc= h. > > > > David Lang > > > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote: > > > > > From the beginning, the general rule is don't use Starlink WiFi. Or > > > hide the router somewhere to reduce RF emissions. > > > > > > We have developed a set of rules and recommendations about using a Po= E > > > injector or bypassing the Starlink router. > > > Unfortunately, a lot of people ignore safety. > > > > > > But there are some countermeasures on the way. > > > > > > On 12/19/22 05:03, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, there is nothing special. > > > > > > > > You can capture WiFi beacons and get a BSSID with a good directiona= l > > > > antenna. 10 - 15 km it's not a problem. > > > > > > > > They are filtering Starlink router BSSID to figure out that somewhe= re > > > > there is Starlink. > > > > Starlink WiFi router uses Tibro corp. (74:24: prefix). > > > > On 12/19/22 04:41, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > > > > > > > > > Starlink detector boasted about... 10km range. > > > > > > https://www.notebookcheck.net/Starlink-terminal-detection-radar-to-en= ter-testing-in-Ukraine-as-per-Russian-military-blogger.675439.0.html > > > > > > > > I would have figured on starlinks less further front, combined wi= th > > > > > non los radios and ptp wifi being viable. Targeting every wifi > > > > > transmitter is a low percentage play, and adhoc modes for directi= onal > > > > > wifi with synthetic mac's harder to distinguish ... > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Starlink mailing list > > > > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC