From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C5BD3B29E for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id az27so22658738wrb.6 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 07:37:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=1/HJngg8qfnQx63i8K/ajFWbkqS0XwjPWYs5+8LU/tg=; b=qPDMzRXBjrEtGXarZDBWkQbkaytO+3o5mpam3djzHFXes0bltG/M2LrFm17UcTCfdM aA/mgJXlGceZgFJTPIaGDb+FufqzFtkY5gjzdmKUQQqS5Beh+tPPIx+Z6n1OaOfMbbY7 j84/oqLJZ7wCKiNLdERNN0Gysl0VxizB8Gnd3apH7QDowdTN6wHVbSD+NfQB82cIrQEa 8HV8tpxC9j1byy2TtLDmxPJuFR7EiAMGwo74fM5/mV4wycPYiYq9YhISUYwy4m+Y7Gob 6Ee+U/7aooa3asJzEslEvaoBMerCmR2N5FWT7bjnOQ/qCAeKAJvJa/Wi0a5hZe2kRtfo VW7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=1/HJngg8qfnQx63i8K/ajFWbkqS0XwjPWYs5+8LU/tg=; b=UDgoOWCQaGMhdau0En+vDPupyQlY/tahkMfwG3a8fA/1orx5YSKzgDfPeve07Y4PQQ rA9H8AAb7PWLnZ00k+BHb1rNsgBhTp2PCSNIXa/y85sGOq3npdiry3DmyAhi8ie9hiwA cwaoKiLME1BJ9mCvdl6bQF+kF31MSESTGv2qJrhkJ3UKq6ojXjfPrVAxKDvb8bAMfgJE NOmfMfeafF+KXWkPc6DM3BG+YgPh5yMk2d4FDCO9/SXJhg+uZjejjTClNlvztGTcxB6F HoFg0CT5S4C2PjBzD+cHScpDqtfVunbOvg2/SHV3WIFWNzZvtutkPwmEdOIzeunqGSsx sLbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1JyPZv+Njxpdcsc9R+QlIIB/zQUrsBjtfhkdGZdHwRKObgPRfU b4dg5EgpwrnwWSc8mTj7nmG5KyNrJofsSEq6aZ/YWatK7nE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR4FvF9LsGbYbB+eMWseVsWPqjX8SK7l2uyOQ/PmKvPN59XuZur3THzIUnfo9QLhi3tKf5azat/hQdUwXfhF3uo= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5942:0:b0:225:7425:4e39 with SMTP id e2-20020a5d5942000000b0022574254e39mr14485498wri.566.1662043073925; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 07:37:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 07:37:42 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ulrich Speidel Cc: "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Why ISLs are difficult... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 14:37:55 -0000 Perhaps related, but, regardless, very interesting: optical switching using mems mirrors, with a picture of the chip that does it: https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/systems/the-evolution-of-googles-jupiter-data-center-network ... More about the crazy things google is doing leveraging this is in the sigcomm2022 paper, here: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3544216.3544265