From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com (mail-wm1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 736C53CB37 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id v14-20020a05600c470e00b003f06520825fso8127264wmo.0 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:18:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1681143479; x=1683735479; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=0WcOyNX0kAjooZvekDSR2ywY023h1bbEbsayJ7JLPWc=; b=MmBRmg9vky4m5yla41+76ASzouYRIWAWzwrhEPzhTCulNb9/J7k1Hpnb92BEjBI2cL FCEi+8JG4fwzZN44HxAVTrQr+T8WnYcYw0r8F26YvDZdHSKMH67ElybkageDx4+DoUs+ phPNc/op41Lgr1z9wAu2vsNDn8edg+Ff69QUDLTtIy6kSZAOyuuFTJiMrpIzmnq3+C8r DdATcjGc52eilGRykg6yiAQ3Az5DID3hWZ2BwqTQo4HkfLtUgPYo1xMWMYJugAMasyJZ GIw0TLh7QZFHDhMFAkZbFBZBoLsbjMcfqyPs0jL030yT8IEJKOAbWYXyOWAvbPdFwSgV rsAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681143479; x=1683735479; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0WcOyNX0kAjooZvekDSR2ywY023h1bbEbsayJ7JLPWc=; b=kHp1SQGS0kCTeAyHSqm63Im6NYjxLTblGdeKTF6x6AOrNqLhZQF5sL5SFfDfMWcIRd v6O4aNOVA1XyrUSeM6xAMKEdl3nXN83mY8+V+6oYRLv/9/09xWFEmUKu224oWtG4GUlD y8Eb8A5Iau4bXHdHiADV+vgZjBdZA3uvZsn4qRqcGgQsr8Q89g3qlmPjzoEI7CviMrvr 7JRKHUwJnF2IwrVFyEC0kiL6J6428umh+bLTb2XpNOYSI4hS/vAIG+pl2/WIlmva5ZD7 wsOuqOzTRHYSwKZCQc2qIUsTwAJILsQS1iocKk942z2XW+QLRDKgR4+Isf0mhjLGrd/G GpYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9dJMnRxmJcpAs3H9YAYcCBInFAqUxEb8YfkQu6nJEHBdczu1A6y tyXCoEn7q1jqJv7PrY+YjSEHoCph/Icb95ewV5IqXjAUzV4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350Y/9wJ5V26Y86aHlAEKUxxW/1cVuxhCSk90vX8xg6aWoLb0RPTmD/2gz4pkwzbWLfe3OeJOZz4NhxBDaF+CP9A= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7708:0:b0:3ed:d2fc:2fe7 with SMTP id t8-20020a1c7708000000b003edd2fc2fe7mr2270597wmi.0.1681143479073; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:17:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:17:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] apnic piece on starlink X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 16:18:00 -0000 On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:07=E2=80=AFAM David Fern=C3=A1ndez via Starlink wrote: > > 60+ only? Maybe it is this what you are remembering: 437 pages > https://storage.googleapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/The%20Loon%20Libr= ary.pdf Yes! I wish every project reserved funding towards writing up failure so eloquently. I had tried, in Nicaragua, in 206-2008 to get IPv6 deployed (tunneling ipv4 over it), and had meant to write up that set of problems. I was planning to publish the "WISP6" postmortem in the the 2010 timeframe but got sucked into just working on bloat. I had been going instinctively on that enormous list of problems since, and mostly licked them (or so I thought), in cerowrt by 2014, not realizing that the wisp market had evolved in an entirely different direction. > Do you remember Solar Impulse 2 travel around the world? It had to > stop and land every five days or so. This is the evolution: Skydweller > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9865021/US-Navy-developin= g-pilotlesss-solar-powered-plane-fly-90-days-straight.html > > The total footprint of a satellite coverage consists of multiple spot > beams with typical diameters ranging from 200-1000 km in GEO > deployments, 100-500 km in LEO deployments and 4 =E2=80=93 200 Km for HAP= S > deployment. > > Regards, > > David > > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 12:38:38 -0700 > > From: Dave Taht > > To: Hesham ElBakoury > > Cc: Michael Richardson , Dave Taht via Starlink > > , George Michaelson > > Subject: Re: [Starlink] apnic piece on starlink > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" > > > > On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 12:07=E2=80=AFPM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Google Spinoff Aalyira salvaged Project Loon technology for US militar= y. > >> > >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/google-spinoff-aalyria-salvage= s-project-loon-technology-for-the-us-military/amp > >> > >> Hesham > > > > I did not know that. Loon did one of the greatest post-mortems of any > > project I had ever read, 60+ pages long, and I cannot find it now. > > > > > > (I love having you all on this list!) > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 11:37 AM Michael Richardson via Starlink > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> David Lang via Starlink wrote: > >>> > Google shuttered project Loon (balloons to do this rather than > >>> UAVs) in > >>> > the last year or two > >>> > >>> I heard that too, but also that some external entity then put up some > >>> money > >>> and partnered to start it up again. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC