From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C1AE3B2A4 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id i3so2235055wrc.4 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681317803; x=1683909803; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=nF8DRaSeBYhtZASbwzPsMSyrrjllm98dfrnsFJuUGaI=; b=sZgrxdbUAujlS6J9L+e+3ISIKNXrKMoEIzr9ECctJDj50PWYyrLiTbxaH9IiCp7qo9 Hq/0CUBQMGpFLEYjUsvIm/3re5o2O/CMbOOJE5GgT6dqqodtOIZfcKWdT+hZZ6xczMd3 n4TW688mMs23cNGVKPE+A23CJpNco1avmkf9CNcwJUBvfb/C5zruqWXIdWo3ylH3hILe 4xiMwxHaUhWpCps6d39CO4BuJESlrVR1Bk0AAQRkbtPsHBwfYKdODapjU+gsnOLfW2Ba 0b9ywjn2oexd/glzD8SutmGxbdK6PXQUK/U5c/pVl7h7uy5nqZvT/D+tzkADosL3nFP5 SXwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681317803; x=1683909803; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nF8DRaSeBYhtZASbwzPsMSyrrjllm98dfrnsFJuUGaI=; b=XNukQ6vskjny1WdcDpgRsw3AKHP8zlR5dWb+W5vNmio6RCPBgCIIaC6AyQz7h9FPoJ H+rFKzmdjgADvtuOfgC79faqTjHWxK9cdB3U7P3lFeYrG2P0rP5I6FSArfbOyl82jKIt XT2GtnW/hKqt7RCLSE4c1fjW3SQnl7IkN6LLQLPxGNoVFWzFu1nubYLt7c80qCm29Iqb OErrbN4bCV99gF1GFqFqrxP+C2cAFwez2mN8QdL85Ev2MCe4XE5WN8hod0yetMbBxWZh 0TfgBIScGN+ZOYPkjN2bOBt5HjfNoPRT2skDzqMzmyYMpJuH+pjwq7dt/ZWYYO1j/59j xn3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9c4LTtft/+FpBBQjVHbCZjiHln/Y73ZM/fLaTtvcfNkTiVQyu/4 fIFml8vcfNHmfxYL7VE8GEaKVWbu18jCoh7O1Kw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bH1/UcCzI46JMq94vji/AgEmTPoJb+HAHdCX1W3kW3IbpAP/BsF7geCdMGNM23QH/mA86cfS1iThPXzVpTrDw= X-Received: by 2002:adf:edce:0:b0:2ce:ac97:6f51 with SMTP id v14-20020adfedce000000b002ceac976f51mr2819893wro.13.1681317802862; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:43:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37be1085-b466-4b25-9367-87698b17582d@Spark> <3bd4ada1-bc9f-3ffd-ba8e-2381c5f11769@cas.cat> <3c424b3ea786af99682540f6f287f19a@univie.ac.at> In-Reply-To: <3c424b3ea786af99682540f6f287f19a@univie.ac.at> From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:43:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: Albert Rafetseder , Dave Taht via Starlink Cc: Pedro , Mike Puchol , Ilario Gelmetti , v15@battlemesh.org, marek.lindner@neomailbox.ch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] mike puchol + starlink at battlemesh X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 16:43:24 -0000 What mike had offered to do was drop off 3 spare starlink terminals he has at the start of the event. I personally would love to see how well that could then be used in an overlay network, or, with source specific routing on a complicated setup. Imagine several villages connected to each other over mesh, with power issues, and multiple uplinks setup like that. It has been a severe disappointment to me to see the low quality of the openwrt based router they ship, I would have hoped to have made it easier to actually setup a good ole fashioned network with actual local assets like email, (matrix) chat, and fileservice, even local web sites, especially since they do support ipv6 in many cases. They DO support some sort of meshing protocol, but I do not know what it is= . Me, I would STRONGLY encourage him to also speak in depth about his experience with starlink so far, and also his adventures in africa, and record it! He is a pretty busy guy tho! I hope it comes together. On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:45=E2=80=AFAM Albert Rafetseder wrote: > > Hi Mike! > > Sorry for the delayed response, our distributed organization model shows > :-) > > We'd love you to join our event and talk about Starlink (.sx)! Do you > have any preferences in terms of date, time, duration, infrastructure > etc. for your talk? Or is it rather a workshop? Kindly let us know so we > can find a suitable spot on the schedule for you. > > Needless to say (we think), our event is free of charge and you are > cordially invited to hang out with us before & after your talk. > > Best regards, > Albert for the v15 orga team. > > Am 22.03.2023 20:10, schrieb Pedro: > > It is nice you would like to join us, let me add to the track the rest > > of the group that is organizing the v15 edition > > > > In fact, I would appreciate if another person takes care of this, > > because I am focusing in more core things to make the event happen > > such as cashflow and The Testbed > > > > On 3/22/23 16:55, Dave Taht wrote: > >> intro - guys, mike puchol is deeply active in africa and elsewhere, > >> and also the founder of https://starlink.sx/ > >> > >> he would be a GREAT SPEAKER for battlemesh... > >> > >> ... and he also has some gear he could add to the mix, described > >> below. > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 7:33=E2=80=AFAM Mike Puchol = wrote: > >>> I happen to live about 30 minutes by car from the venue, so I'd be > >>> happy to turn up with my three Starlink terminals, plus whatever > >>> random stuff my wife would be happy to see me to remove from the > >>> house (even if temporarily!). > >>> > >>> Shall I ping Ilario directly or can you make an introduction? > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> On Mar 22, 2023 at 14:46 +0100, Dave Taht via Starlink > >>> , wrote: > >>> > >>> Battlemesh is a small, extremely low-cost, technically oriented > >>> conference (and camp out) with some policy aspects, that contains a > >>> lot of core, community network, openwrt, wifi and (especially) > >>> routing > >>> protocol developers. The overt purpose is to test interop of multiple > >>> devices together, but it is usually far more social and diverse than > >>> that. It is about as non-commercial as you can get, and this year, it > >>> is happening in Barcelona Monday 2023-05-08 to Sunday 2023-05-14, in > >>> a > >>> rather unique location. I gave my big make-wifi-fast talk here ages > >>> ago, and it is an eye opener as to how the internet is strung > >>> together > >>> in Spain, Germany, and eastern Europe, South America, and indeed, the > >>> rest of the world, living on less dollars per day. > >>> > >>> It would be cool if someone(s) showed up with a starlink terminal, or > >>> more gear, or a libreqos box, to add to the mix. My own focus > >>> (outside > >>> of fixing wifi itself) was largely on improving the babel protocol, > >>> but the BATMAN protocol is popular there, as well as several others. > >>> > >>> from: https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15 > >>> > >>> "We welcome contributions that broadly address these questions from > >>> any of several perspectives: technical, organisational, economical, > >>> regulatory, juridical, political. Example topics: > >>> > >>> Wireless Community Networks > >>> Community Networks that deploy Fiber-to-the-Home (FTTH) networks > >>> TV white space as a precious network resource (radio spectrum) > >>> Free hardware and free software for Community Networks > >>> How to organize a durable community structure? > >>> How to involve non-technical people? To "digital stewardship" and > >>> beyond? > >>> How to disseminate the spirit of community networks, knowledge etc? > >>> Connecting rural areas: challenges and solutions > >>> Public fiber networks: architecture, funding, private actors > >>> involved, oversight > >>> Internet of Things (IoT) networks and their impact on society > >>> How to take advantage of a community network in ways otherwise not > >>> possible? What are the applications? > >>> Local Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) as a common infrastructure > >>> DNS as a common infrastructure?" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >>> From: Ilario Gelmetti > >>> Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 10:38=E2=80=AFAM > >>> Subject: [Battlemesh] Announcement: Wireless Battlemesh v15 is coming > >>> up in May 8-14 > >>> To: Battlemesh > >>> Cc: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> The Wireless Battle of the Mesh is going live for its 15th edition. > >>> This > >>> time for a full *week* again! > >>> > >>> The dates and venue have been set by the WBM community: > >>> > >>> 8-14th of May 2023 > >>> Calafou, Vallbona d'Anoia, Barcelona > >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=3D19/41.51115/1.70263 > >>> https://calafou.org/web/index.php/sobre-calafou#eng > >>> > >>> Please find the information we gathered so-far on the wiki page: > >>> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15 > >>> > >>> Different accommodation options are available at Calafou: > >>> * Camping - the great outdoors is calling. Please bring your own > >>> camping > >>> gear (tent, caravan, etc). > >>> * Bunk Bed - pick one of the available bunk beds covered by a proper > >>> roof. > >>> > >>> Accommodation Packages are available, valid for BOTH camping and bunk > >>> beds, but they have limited availability and require registration > >>> beforehand: > >>> > >>> * Early bird package: 60 EUR for 6 nights > >>> * Late booking package: 100 EUR for 6 nights > >>> > >>> Book until **March 31st** to enjoy early bird booking discount! The > >>> packages are attributed on a first-come first-serve basis, so > >>> register > >>> as soon as possible! > >>> See https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15/AccomodationPackage > >>> > >>> Please help us spread the word by forwarding the announcement below. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> The WBMv15 orga team. > >>> > >>> > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> The Wireless Battle Mesh v15 > >>> 8th - 14th of May 2023, Calafou / Barcelona (Europe) > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> The next 'Wireless Battle of the Mesh' (Battlemesh) will take place > >>> from > >>> Mon 8th - Sun 14th of May 2023 in Calafou (https://calafou.org/) near > >>> Barcelona (Europe). > >>> > >>> The Wireless Battle Mesh is a non-commercial, volunteer-organized > >>> annual > >>> convention. > >>> The convention features a variety of talks and workshops on technical > >>> and political issues related to mesh networking, wireless community > >>> networks and OpenWrt firmware development. > >>> > >>> The purpose of the event is to further topics such as right to > >>> connectivity, community-owned infrastructure and related free open > >>> source projects. > >>> > >>> There will be 6 days full of expert presentations, late night hacking > >>> sessions, measurement campaigns, protocol discussions, and a lot of > >>> other meshy things. > >>> > >>> So if you are a mesh networking enthusiast, community networking > >>> activist, or have an interest in mesh networks in general, you have > >>> to > >>> check this out! > >>> > >>> Continuously updated information about the event available at > >>> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15 > >>> > >>> > >>> Location > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> The Battlemesh v15 will be hosted by the fabulous Calafou / colonia > >>> ecoindustrial postcapitalista members in Barcelona, Europe. > >>> > >>> The Calafou compound is very spacious and offers plenty of room for > >>> hacking, workshops, socializing, building test beds and more! > >>> > >>> You can check some pictures of the spaces at the Battlemesh wiki > >>> page. > >>> Instructions on how to arrive by train and from BCN airport will be > >>> provided soon on the same page. > >>> > >>> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15#Where > >>> > >>> > >>> Accommodation Offering > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> Different accommodation options are available at Calafou: > >>> * Camping - the great outdoors is calling. Please bring your own camp > >>> gear (tent, caravan, etc) right at the venue. > >>> * Bunk Bed - pick one of the available bunk beds covered by a proper > >>> roof. > >>> > >>> Accommodation Packages, valid both for camping or bunk beds, have > >>> limited availability and require registration beforehand. > >>> * Early bird package: 60 EUR (6 nights) > >>> * Late booking package: 100 EUR (6 nights) > >>> > >>> Book until *March 31st* to enjoy early bird booking discount! The > >>> packages are attributed on a first-come first-serve basis, so > >>> register > >>> as soon as possible! > >>> > >>> Please check the Battlemesh wiki page for more details. > >>> > >>> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15/AccomodationPackage > >>> > >>> > >>> Registration > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> The event is *free of charge* and open for all. However, it makes the > >>> organization much easier if you tell us in advance that you plan to > >>> come. > >>> > >>> To register, please send an email to v15@battlemesh.org with the > >>> following content: > >>> > >>> ######## > >>> Subject: Registration > >>> > >>> Name and/or Nick: > >>> Date of arrival/departure: > >>> Accommodation package: [Yes/No] > >>> T-Shirt Size: [S/M/L/none, straight or fitted cut] > >>> Other details you want to share: (e.g. community, country, URLs, > >>> twitter/mastodon handle, dietary restrictions, ...) > >>> Do you agree to appear on the public list of participants? [Yes/No] > >>> ######## > >>> > >>> If your answer to the last question is YES, you can go ahead and add > >>> yourself to the public participants list right away (otherwise we > >>> will > >>> do it for you): > >>> http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15/Participants > >>> > >>> > >>> Schedule and Call for participation > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> The event will feature organized talks, workshops and discussion > >>> panels > >>> on community networks and wireless mesh networks. There will also be > >>> more informal activities: cooperative hacking, self-organized > >>> projects, > >>> and (we hope) delightful conversations! In addition, there may be a > >>> self-organized wireless mesh network, running different routing > >>> protocols to compare them. Please coordinate directly on the > >>> Battlemesh > >>> mailing list (see link below) to make that happen. > >>> > >>> The schedule is being updated at: > >>> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15#Talk_Schedule_and_Workshops > >>> > >>> We invite participants to propose workshops, talks or panel > >>> discussions > >>> relating to network infrastructure in general, how it can be built > >>> and > >>> operated as a common, and how to sustain a community around > >>> networking. > >>> We welcome contributions that broadly address these questions from > >>> any > >>> of several perspectives: technical, organisational, economical, > >>> regulatory, juridical, political. Example topics: > >>> > >>> * Wireless Community Networks > >>> * Community Networks that deploy Fiber-to-the-Home (FTTH) networks > >>> * TV white space as a precious network resource (radio spectrum) > >>> * Free hardware and free software for Community Networks > >>> * How to organize a durable community structure? > >>> * How to involve non-technical people? To "digital stewardship" and > >>> beyond? > >>> * How to disseminate the spirit of community networks, knowledge etc? > >>> * Connecting rural areas: challenges and solutions > >>> * Public fiber networks: architecture, funding, private actors > >>> involved, > >>> oversight > >>> * Internet of Things (IoT) networks and their impact on society > >>> * How to take advantage of a community network in ways otherwise not > >>> possible? What are the applications? > >>> * Local Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) as a common infrastructure > >>> * DNS as a common infrastructure > >>> > >>> Please check the wiki page on how to submit your proposal. > >>> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15#Call_for_participation > >>> > >>> > >>> Travel Support Grants > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> The Team at https://cdt.org invites all participants who are in need > >>> of > >>> financial support for their long haul flight to check out this travel > >>> fund: > >>> > >>> https://gitlab.com/pitg/fund > >>> > >>> (When sending an application, please add v15@battlemesh.org in CC). > >>> > >>> > >>> Spread the Word > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> Please help us spreading the word by forwarding this announcement to > >>> all > >>> lists and people that might be interested. Blogging about it is also > >>> very appreciated, and if you do so, please add a ping-back to the > >>> wiki > >>> page: http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15 > >>> > >>> > >>> Contact > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> * Web: http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15 > >>> * Public Mailing List: > >>> http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/battlemesh > >>> * Orga crew: v15@battlemesh.org > >>> * https://matrix.to/#/#battlemesh:matrix.org > >>> * Twitter: https://twitter.com/battlemesh/ > >>> * Mastodon: https://toot.aquilenet.fr/@battlemesh > >>> > >>> The WBMv15 orga team. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Battlemesh mailing list > >>> Battlemesh@ml.ninux.org > >>> https://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/battlemesh > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Come Heckle Mar 6-9 at: https://www.understandinglatency.com/ > >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > >> --=20 AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC