From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4F333B29E for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 19:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f423ac6e2dso49148285e9.2 for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1683934865; x=1686526865; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=BzRKziF9IS6WOD6uxdGtugUWggYemjWP/n+KA4G42E0=; b=nf0FHuj9RRY/fYRqiN+NhMii6Z94CGHoBx9mGtAoJe6SSGIctVT7uVGCDnSFpdotSD tHeYLTHqFkSqyNy0iyCi5FJQ5qJvvMWhEwOsEhmAjtDhmTmVCbMfgd5OGOvKXoRD380t FykSwzjao9gKtmFFCTLBgzom/rLcaO7I3FkcK5JKz3aYr2QBF4ImseevVC6s1nqkGwHc 5D1+8ncXhF/m7HarnEMMJTpzUncAtyVYFF0pJR+HtKS/17UeIRwv4y/67KRsSLf9f/Jo GcoNvY7onAzmtoWAgOfLXU4yvC6VyneqsZWnTnfE8yQ1YQZvYMGepCogL7ClG6Ak8qeG ZRCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683934865; x=1686526865; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BzRKziF9IS6WOD6uxdGtugUWggYemjWP/n+KA4G42E0=; b=jlK69HgTNqL21/eW5URtY/qmYgKDeqK8xkLpBEf9SotE9blPSPKwhpFKtOabLMjtkM Ho61PqcbWAG3zVI+wYMhYZ4/fTA0uiYVoJ5qqlHhK0AkeoZZc3B2JWLenAwvKvHcqIVG KFxbUl0rdn0iZupG8XPKfJDJ8HbnLLhZhUfLDurpkKSFwf6OYS2TDZzPGp8XHM4ecflz XDKOnRPHMJB1fJXJDG67LUrY7STAux6dKa6p5l+NLf0DMcMCEtK4pZr53Cv/591FUMkg jWrkAa6fKaUjaIf6SGHC9qcA25udn6z53Q8NEaZBTz9kd66yFW5kKN7S4ilrxfT4aKIW kHgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDz+Y06HyoIIwn7M9+L/wjEx/uqJQMOzVx73iXi4a0BlFVqMeINr KJ/NLb3AdthZvHNJfuuXu5byHiuAcgxqMWBhkPnn964YUuI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4TREoTff0zDRyzihvcXqLg7i2DYH7Hh3ufLEmFyyXcxMzffnv4gz3izpjrVHEO/x9ZyJ1xSibfQiph/RdQulQ= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c44d:0:b0:3f4:2438:31ca with SMTP id l13-20020a7bc44d000000b003f4243831camr13934167wmi.26.1683934865423; Fri, 12 May 2023 16:41:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18126136-62E3-4C6D-88D2-72124B73BFDF@onholyground.com> <29410BC8-B70B-40FC-9885-513AC26F2147@onholyground.com> In-Reply-To: <29410BC8-B70B-40FC-9885-513AC26F2147@onholyground.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 16:40:53 -0700 Message-ID: To: Darrell Budic Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Planetary Society podcast on SpaceX & EPA issues X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 23:41:06 -0000 On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:18=E2=80=AFPM Darrell Budic wrote: > > The TLDR; is probably: Thank you. > > - site originally used a sort of short form Environmental Impact Statemen= t to certify for occasional falcon 9 launches, not exploding starship testi= ng > - updates have been made to allow for the testing, and this is where the = recent lawsuits are centered > - crazy things have been floated for the site (LNG shipping terminal, 250= MW power plant) that would have required new evals I do not think these things are crazy. This location has many advantages, being both close by to an airport and a major commercial harbor and shipyard ( https://www.portofbrownsville.com/ ), which is also a source of competent labor and other manufacturing. There are few locations I can think of as good as this for rocket development left in the USA. The ecological damage even of a full load explosion on the ground is trivial compared to the damage already done by development elsewhere. It IS too close to cities, being about 6? miles from san padre and 3 from mexico, IMHO. A 40 second delay in the ATS system, coupled with a full throttle and out of control rocket headed straight in those directions would be bad. Aside from that water surrounds about half the area. > - lots of this is probably traceable to Musk=E2=80=99s lack of local PR a= nd just trying to crash forward and the recent train derailments in the new= s raising awareness In the bars I visited, and the hotel I stayed at, approval of spacex was roughly 100%, with a sense of pride and accomplishment and knowledge in the waiters and waitresses I engaged with. I realize that is not a scientific sample. There were no protestors on the beach, no-one with signs out saying stop this thing, either. I do not think there is much lack of local PR. Also tens of thousands of space tourists feeding the local economy made for some of the best live music I have encountered in decades. There was a level of energy and enthusiasm in this booming town that I have not seen in America in a long, long time. > - SpaceX seems to be realizing this site may not be what they need and ma= y to be looking at doing more at Kennedy Space Center in the future Certainly kennedy is more conventional but even more cramped. > - if the lawsuit against the EPA stays in Washington DC, it may be troubl= e for SpaceX, if it moves to Texas at the EPAs request, it=E2=80=99s more l= ikely to mean little overall I agree that texas puts a much higher priority on economic development than some. > > But you miss a lot of somewhat interesting policy and background on the E= nvironmental angle, which turns out to be more involved than I=E2=80=99d ha= ve thought from a distance. I will listen, but I suffered through the "snail darter" days a lot back in the day. Environmental damage in this location is easily offset elsewhere. > > Also nice that the Planetary Society posts a full transcript if you=E2=80= =99d rather read/skim than listen. > > > On May 12, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > could you summarize? > > > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:48=E2=80=AFAM Darrell Budic via Starlink > > wrote: > >> > >> Some intersting coverage on the route SpaceX took with their Boca Chic= a site and environmental issues here: > >> > >> https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/space-policy-edition-spacexs= -starship-vs-the-environment-with-eric-roesch > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > > > -- > > Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705879391= 0227111937/ > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227= 111937/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos