From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 923423B29D for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id e18so7004633wmq.3 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=sd4jjnIz5r2fBs2XIvBKO8ZhP1rMHG26+w5eZlyTGj4=; b=bAqmaXaHeYOwVvrugW+EgAsDyNA5hZIr5bM8eQSA0NTUrjYsdh7kS0ZtjuaTm4MXiL uoWyf5ERXSTfqbxVn732ih0zfDVwqAP6udUqlBSxNgzDfRdp9bnHD39u649uuMfY4G/U rCGd8HNNFNxeO4BBI0TXu+6jq5JBy2eE8y38FjFgqznLeZDP//FENtUxVp/ZF4NeiAad buhCONWt4q56XtNEmZVSQm7dINQgJcfQV59ao+D1FlmxJDRYEqEfQXDwtCSc+N4a8UO0 BHsJZwwOSojtYyy4cLBP46gTa+49B3u3Ku2OTEUAub+T0CGEXigFiZQYcj3BVbm5DTLi phIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=sd4jjnIz5r2fBs2XIvBKO8ZhP1rMHG26+w5eZlyTGj4=; b=lXqQ34g7KaeQwOajouDSn+V1UkR2Yomn7AawsvFCr9zKUbRU5ZcW765+18huhB4rVI AwfXi8PKlEXPyE1yyFG6BSegSYvats++2FmKLGXd2iVH838QCi8SZB19Uhi9AsOzORYI GpdvTV0gSzXZ1lg8Zp+CowIh3U/Ik5a+aJKL/ul/gnWhixv2slctqY8uuF7VaaPVOpyV WfoP2KooALoGpWRRY+43R0PY9ZM00HdF7Og4N6L6ag9Rgpie2vnUfuQWIH6tRGqo6zEv vY79w9Iyrc2bWaKneD6f2JUUdaHuMKMe3SWVipSggsFXPSaXP8qF4NrjFwUl7ee59MMJ UWxw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1rNFkiCb8QPfLyr0mgADR/FGEwCoWfyuSS9/tFdrDue8x7z9+7 WpOPx5XOdJvBEaWByERBCMlUbVy8VIHF5I5EcUIJuAvdD58= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4dAAAv2ml6kW9N6cymzMGavQG2BbxzRlwCcS/OQh5+qBa/VICHKGcnfQudUpqDrfQfKj/UAdF5J07QkGGjtN0= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:4c02:0:b0:3b4:9249:3539 with SMTP id z2-20020a1c4c02000000b003b492493539mr9832970wmf.128.1663860382090; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:26:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: warren ponder Cc: Mike Puchol , =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht_via_Starlink?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:26:23 -0000 This MIT paper went by today. It's really good. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3D4178804 On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:07 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > They need to match the bandwidth to the buffering. RFC7567 ain't rocket s= cience. > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 6:46 AM warren ponder via Starlink > wrote: > > > > Great description Mike. Elon acknowledged this 12+ months ago. 'Need mo= re ground stations and less foolish routing' > > > > As Dave said though it mind blowing how tech writers come up with stuff= . Granted SL does not really engage in that area but there are so many reso= urces available and willing to validate their articles you would think they= would have the integrity to use them. > > > > WP > > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 5:01 AM Mike Puchol via Starlink wrote: > >> > >> Satellites don=E2=80=99t get re-positioned, they are in orbital planes= and slots, to move them is expensive in time and fuel, thus, once they hav= e been placed, they stay. You can see how the constellation operates at sta= rlink.sx - you=E2=80=99ll quickly notice why coverage is a function of gate= way availability, the constellation has enough density. > >> > >> The issues in the US are twofold - many customers added while not enou= gh satellite capacity is available (the first constellation is only about 5= 0% complete), and many gateways only have half the spectrum available, redu= cing available througput. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Mike > >> On Sep 22, 2022 at 13:42 +0200, Andrew Crane via Starlink , wrote: > >> > >> Even senior reporters for tech publications have been conditioned to n= ot look beyond "speed" numbers. > >> > >> OT I wonder if the woes in North America are caused by the unplanned r= epositioning of satellites for Ukraine coverage. > >> ~ Andrew > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 2:35 PM Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > >>> > >>> I still find it remarkable that reporters are still missing the > >>> meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. Just look at > >>> the > >>> > >>> https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlink-speeds-drop-significantly-in-the-= us-amid-congestion-woes > >>> > >>> -- > >>> FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_f= q_codel/ > >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > -- > FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_co= del/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC --=20 FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_code= l/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC