From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C6BC3CB37 for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-41ba1ba55ffso5540865e9.1 for ; Wed, 08 May 2024 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1715179197; x=1715783997; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=iofeJjZw6SKaoEjnxU52QRJ5AUQHPpyJGMvzeXRri58=; b=GqnBICzOQyjB8bDI2JqWov6LOB2i0nYqnLzTQXIfyFbrOmnONZoMgyZK6D8n4kvc0h lWxg5YYtm1JnDDp+/x+3QB4+yHuNJSd5aTIDIauiNZ9PQ8uqsMX5Ppqu0hgPBLyh53gj Se0uwWg+G+u5B+WYcG5x+/RqvxRUk9vARjbMuqJQW/H+qm3VASr+eiuf9nrg95/6hrFh 5NDUtHc5KDrSZHtybF614Gh5cJuNhN8qp8fVoCot94d+PRuPHviqmoYdUXProfFAR9Eu quwvMETtB6xeaeoDoofj1lz26RYw532nCvFAqV79azwRfTwZQJZs7kOQ2n1j5cy219c6 6wfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1715179197; x=1715783997; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iofeJjZw6SKaoEjnxU52QRJ5AUQHPpyJGMvzeXRri58=; b=IMtopTg/bK62ayhH0rCSO9nfjYnpHRzJez88CVaJs9wSlIehlmozIuR90h5B77VAgX k4pOEzeg0Hjwt30ruEOkGoIK/kitvHaDKGlE6ReTwkZRsaXdCcT3b1aXwMAkL0QTARni r9fEy6vWWGjcylRET8Xy/q9AQJSqVMWH+EZI+Xfy+nW2pCRUT0ZO7TIBdVnM4Z8I49a8 um6dDo4na0Bmb65bI5toK1mzu2j9linqnkfOxXTwcqnLTClTsgEwbwDY2R5ATojQT6H8 jo6/OCe4ZNB4ImrxwbXJar1LeUN/GdJQ+hIN6BQPs5R+iVHMMjRQxRf1u+OuLQI/5ZFT cObg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywvh5rU2P/WnfnN5MQi8L0OoAz0kIv2iU3gyxsXw2NHqkHoescK qp2yFi9HfMMlPczC5Cku40O7jzBODzh1HGc6LXO3z0FYcUqajPvosJX2DDInOq6deK6mFNOcOoA LdBrT2iMGi6udtF2FH3rX1pzsd2tSWg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEji3X1ak+MTwXgcddbNqi5v6O8205ZYmlJVO+AoXR3GmO3U6AQ+nxAD1J073QrjOddCvMEoFYrDXEd22oxSvs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3b0c:b0:417:eb5d:281b with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-41f2db24c81mr53423805e9.17.1715179197340; Wed, 08 May 2024 07:39:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 07:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] revisiting the old "starwrt" plan X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 14:39:59 -0000 Sometimes I look at this old document and dream about what might have been. On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht wro= te: > > > A genesis point for the creation of this email list was this failed, too = ambitious, and too multi-faceted, project proposal from over 2 years back. = See and comment on it here: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVGC-iNq2NZ0jk4f3IAiVUHz2S9O6P-F3vVZU= 2yBYtw/edit > > In reviewing it today, I am so pleased that everyone here has leaned in = on the measurement side described therein, and also there seems to be a ton= of information about how starlink=C2=B4s spot beams, etc seemed to work th= at may or may not be obsolete within it that I would like to update. > > In retrospect, I gave up on the idea of making all of openwrt, and cool s= ubsystems like samba or matter, interoperate with the mesh code on the sta= rlink routers, or of producing a build that "just worked" on their routers.= It was too hard, and too locked down, to even try. > > I think broader mesh interoperability would be great however - living in = an age where an eero cannot interoperate with a tp-link, and so on, evades = the true beauty of wifi, and I still hold dear the ideas of starlink poweri= ng village connectivity and local services like email, etc, as well as bein= g a better backup to other links, gaining BGP support, in particular. > > On the embedded front, their first router was IPQ8014 based, for which I = had labored for a couple years to finally produce a very good wifi subsyste= m for, the second (and presently most popular I think? 1+ million in the fi= eld) is mt76 based which is getting better all the time, and their latest w= ifi6 product I know nothing about, and being deeply cynical about all the w= ifi6 devices I had tested before exiting the embedded the market, would lik= e someone else to test. > > I personally exited the embedded market in favor of working on libreqos o= ver a year ago. > > ... and it was mostly the dishy that in the end I felt just needed a few = tweaks, and their headends. > > Anyway: given that openwrt is nearing a final release in this development= cycle and I have also been scoping out improvements to CAKE based on what = we have learned from the mikrotik and LibreQos deployments, thinking about = what is still wrong with wifi was on my mind today. In particular, I enjoye= d reminiscing about the fire I had had in my veins back then about getting = in there and making it the best ISP router on the planet. > > > > > -- > Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.h= tml > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBVFWSyMp3xg&t=3D1098s Waves Podcast Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos