From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D957E3B2A4 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 02:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d09cf00214so60929091fa.0 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 23:43:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709019788; x=1709624588; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=hf0hyiAs8QYO6KDn2V0M7ElSP0/RaJZKBtxkAHIcIY8=; b=CUaWuoCYY0B1FURHO15Qvgo+6U53qoOw2RG7uwBKcDmDROT/rOvYQzSg242YeanhDK 9qK/7RgKk0KtFQv0gxN6jtNKfpHxAD4z278uxaRt436qS3iqmu61LMvqecX0Lah21+ef Ucma5P6xV4dOwut+rVwVbnVIa7sl+dFQXnH5iFOBPXsAY/wTbXLvw7yHbotjVONy5Xk2 rAjwT2V5SMpwnuFSPF4CZOuuMi5+c/Kv1vwzAONgQ7OuDC8d/u5sRx86RK9ikT4W4Jv9 IAdbTiheHsMyzg3PtH6sJf6R8Twj6BOTwrLAxVtcL3znXzHNsPRRhbDBLDIA/+E07cqA IK1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709019788; x=1709624588; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=hf0hyiAs8QYO6KDn2V0M7ElSP0/RaJZKBtxkAHIcIY8=; b=fndAXmHguoQ57ucIvecRnpj9a0XL736XHV5PMJWD6LL66lScDHQ+njwnFUIxAg3GFl 539PEj0n6tO7Me/h4rBaS30fJEjoS9AipezDZMfmPLO2h45tMFCu0dLAPrqrIkoSg+1g QX5Yh0ge7NvCtzGAw3HlPBTJSOuVA/q1rahnhs8skU6FYSnJPktUYjgUVYzY8wh8vBWG jdGfmUXx79TT2KQnFKs6vNlHA7e34A9FZeHeRt7wLgtJz8NIb6P/k6u5en2StaNw1bUW dmBZ+gR1ILCTA/6NktJYch8DVVLpz8QRGT96fxLQJWRnaUciKZG9Sob07qM/KyIR0TSa NC1w== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWlHIJzb+rTCQPGM5OgzVteOY/3SGHMJToBNWlH8jcUVVJLVZkFgNWE6OA9y9mhKmJ4Y0SWmROqfgtmzRvW6OXbINZ+TZGG9fnaTpiDoW8= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwhWOg/u6kNHxaArZe3MQt8+wK1jYDVi/5KvelTmOHfEKAaYPhX tZJanfoQACEjgzvbXvMgX/VNnI8RJ+zOLLQxm2tNph+hWBJ/3jkuRyGjmbHiQlEvCwfKVRTaszt 0UzIDAzDNHfDRDnoagbFBsxKMNp8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IElw8QuyzljzKZvnevCJcZ5xKLtkGQhd8PqquKkL5DV9XTxOEOJFggiGrn2V44icDJzaAXXWqpzUdlyypiNLG8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:bb82:0:b0:2d2:1fed:8029 with SMTP id y2-20020a2ebb82000000b002d21fed8029mr4737027lje.28.1709019787966; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 23:43:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <28ro46p9-5620-9qr2-829q-3s0on13q6po6@ynat.uz> <857a228c-cf02-4a2c-98cb-771f71f070d0@auckland.ac.nz> <851pqo7s-pq89-pnp6-o999-o0721n3s19r8@ynat.uz> <7c39f363-e988-410d-b284-bfda6163d089@auckland.ac.nz> <30p29846-8p5p-6134-r48o-1qr7o3n324p2@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 02:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: Ulrich Speidel , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] starlink business peering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 07:43:10 -0000 Ooops I meant this to be in response to your last point below... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:31=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht wro= te: > > Starlink has described how to peer with them extensively now. It is > still kind of confusing to me - say I had fios to the business, and a > AS that met their requirements, I could also somehow dual home that AS > to my starlink terminal, and it would be a business class service > required? > > https://starlink-enterprise-guide.readme.io/docs/peering-with-starlink > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 1:21=E2=80=AFAM David Lang via Starlink > > SpaceX is diversifying thier offerings, including boats, planes, and ve= ry > > high-performance community gateways. > > > > I'd love to see more tech folks supporting this sort of thing. > > > > I would especially like to see us put together disaster kits that can t= ake one > > uplink and spread it around. The direct site that they were advertising for 1.2 million or so looked compact enough to stuff into a a C130 transport plane and drop onto a providers network anywhere, almost overnight, to provide 10Gbit(?) service. I did not get the dimensions of it, but... >> We've seen SpaceX being willing to donate dishy > > kits, but being able to spread the hotspot island out from direct wifi = range of > > the dishy to be able to cover a larger area would be worth quite a bit = (and > > don't forget the need for power for the system) Given that typical usage at ISP peak is about an average of 5Mbit/sec per household today, mostly driven by 1/6th the users watching netflix, and starlink achieving download speeds regularly of 300Mbit... If movie quality is to be compromised to old fashioned 1.5Mbit 720P, 200 households - that can be served by local fiber, wireless bridges, even 5G, per terminal, over that 70 miles per cell. For some of the 2B that have nothing today. Early on I had hoped starlink would enable "a village" to have telephony and local internet services spread out from there, much like they did in the 90s. Additional fiber/wireless bridges can expand that island outside the cell. It remains unclear to me how many terminals can be stuffed efficiently together. > > > > David Lang_______________________________________________ > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > -- > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos