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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: warren ponder <wponder11@gmail.com>
Cc: "Mike Puchol" <mike@starlink.sx>,
	"Dave Täht via Starlink" <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:07:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw4zsvgWfZeo9aR9D5-_ubRGZOht+P1om5G7hmPDomtTpw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACnq21exHaLZQ62r_RzK0No+zMuJeXOYY3+aO=URZb82oXxCnw@mail.gmail.com>

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They need to match the bandwidth to the buffering. RFC7567 ain't rocket science.


On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 6:46 AM warren ponder via Starlink
<starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> Great description Mike. Elon acknowledged this 12+ months ago. 'Need more ground stations and less foolish routing'
>
> As Dave said though it mind blowing how tech writers come up with stuff. Granted SL does not really engage in that area but there are so many resources available and willing to validate their articles you would think they would have the integrity to use them.
>
> WP
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 5:01 AM Mike Puchol via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Satellites don’t get re-positioned, they are in orbital planes and slots, to move them is expensive in time and fuel, thus, once they have been placed, they stay. You can see how the constellation operates at starlink.sx - you’ll quickly notice why coverage is a function of gateway availability, the constellation has enough density.
>>
>> The issues in the US are twofold - many customers added while not enough satellite capacity is available (the first constellation is only about 50% complete), and many gateways only have half the spectrum available, reducing available througput.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mike
>> On Sep 22, 2022 at 13:42 +0200, Andrew Crane via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
>>
>> Even senior reporters for tech publications have been conditioned to not look beyond "speed" numbers.
>>
>> OT I wonder if the woes in North America are caused by the unplanned repositioning of satellites for Ukraine coverage.
>> ~ Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 2:35 PM Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I still find it remarkable that reporters are still missing the
>>> meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. Just look at
>>> the
>>>
>>> https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlink-speeds-drop-significantly-in-the-us-amid-congestion-woes
>>>
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-22 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-21 18:35 Dave Taht
2022-09-22 11:41 ` Andrew Crane
2022-09-22 12:01   ` Mike Puchol
2022-09-22 13:46     ` warren ponder
2022-09-22 15:07       ` Dave Taht [this message]
2022-09-22 15:26         ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 15:20 ` Livingood, Jason
2022-09-26 15:29   ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 15:57     ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-26 16:21     ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 16:32       ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 19:59         ` Eugene Chang
2022-09-26 20:04           ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 20:14             ` Ben Greear
2022-09-26 20:24               ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 20:32                 ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 20:36                   ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 20:47                 ` Ben Greear
2022-09-26 20:19             ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-26 20:28               ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 20:32                 ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 20:35               ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 20:48               ` David Lang
2022-09-26 20:54                 ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-26 21:01                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-26 21:10                     ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-26 21:20                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-26 21:35                         ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-26 21:44                           ` David Lang
2022-09-26 21:44                           ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-27  0:35                             ` Dave Taht
2022-09-27  0:55                               ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-27  1:12                                 ` Dave Taht
2022-09-27  4:06                               ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-27  3:50                             ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-27  7:09                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-27 22:46                                 ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-28  9:54                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-28 18:49                                     ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-26 21:22                       ` David Lang
2022-09-26 21:29                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-27  3:47                           ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-27  6:36                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-27 13:55                               ` Dave Taht
2022-09-28  0:20                                 ` Eugene Y Chang
2022-09-26 21:02                   ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-26 21:14                     ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 21:10                   ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 21:28                     ` warren ponder
2022-09-26 21:34                       ` Bruce Perens
2022-09-27 16:14                       ` Dave Taht
2022-09-26 21:17                   ` David Lang
2022-09-29  9:10 David Fernández
2022-09-29 19:34 ` Eugene Chang
2022-10-17 13:50 David Fernández
2022-10-17 16:53 ` David Fernández

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