[Starlink] zoomready result

[Starlink] zoomready result

[Dave Taht]

https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html

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Re: [Starlink] zoomready result

[Livingood, Jason]

When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.

On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[Dave Taht]

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wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced
latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to
down.

H/T David Lang for this data.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason
<Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>
> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>
> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[tom]

Dave,

How would you interpret from a bufferbloat PoV? Or is there too much other variability-induced noise to judge?

Thankjs

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From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave Taht
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 9:36 AM
To: Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to down.

H/T David Lang for this data.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>
> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>
> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlin
> ks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9x
> YrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[Dave Taht]

There appears only to be variability in the baseline bandwidth of the
link on that 15sec interval. The rest is just the interactions between
our standard congestion control algorithms (cubic in this case), and a
fixed length per packet FIFO queue.

A debloated link would have 10-20ms of variability no matter the
observed bandwidth, in the third panel of this rrul plot.

The upload would have been much larger and flatter than it was in the
second panel, in part due to the fq - (and with sch_cake,
ack-filtering out much of the workload the download put on it) - see
https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/ack_filtering/

and the download bandwidth would have been about the same (across each
15s adjustment), and perhaps better as when we crack 250ms of delay in
either direction our protocols start to act up.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:45 AM <tom@evslin.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> How would you interpret from a bufferbloat PoV? Or is there too much other variability-induced noise to judge?
>
> Thankjs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave Taht
> Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 9:36 AM
> To: Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result
>
> wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to down.
>
> H/T David Lang for this data.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> > When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
> >
> > On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlin
> > ks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9x
> > YrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
> >
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> > dNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
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> >
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[David Lang]

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That said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with no 
significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other participants)

David Lang

On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht wrote:

> wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced
> latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to
> down.
>
> H/T David Lang for this data.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason
> <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>
>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>>
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>>
>
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[Nathan Owens]

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Same here, Google Meet / Zoom / Teams / FaceTime are great.

Dave, can you post the commands to run those flent measurements? I also
finally recreated that irtt-based scatterplot, attached.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:15 AM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:

> That said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with
> no
> significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other participants)
>
> David Lang
>
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> > wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced
> > latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to
> > down.
> >
> > H/T David Lang for this data.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason
> > <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test
> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
> >>
> >> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[tom]

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I’ve also stayed with my Starlink connection for teleconferencing altho we now have fiber available. My connection is not usually the worst on the call but not perfect either. If I were a job seeker or being paid to present AND I had a choice, I wouldn’t use Starlink when critical

 

From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Nathan Owens
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:16 PM
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

 

Same here, Google Meet / Zoom / Teams / FaceTime are great.

 

Dave, can you post the commands to run those flent measurements? I also finally recreated that irtt-based scatterplot, attached. 

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:15 AM David Lang <david@lang.hm <mailto:david@lang.hm> > wrote:

That said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with no 
significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other participants)

David Lang

On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht wrote:

> wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced
> latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to
> down.
>
> H/T David Lang for this data.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason
> <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com <mailto:Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> > wrote:
>>
>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>
>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net>  on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com <mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$> 
>>
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[David Lang]

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flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net --te=upload_streams=1 -t dlangs-dishy tcp_nup

flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net --te=download_streams=1 -t dlangs-dishy tcp_ndown

flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net --te=upload_streams=8 -t dlangs-dishy-8 tcp_nup

flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net --te=download_streams=8 -t dlangs-dishy-8 tcp_ndown

flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t dlangs-dishy rrul_be


On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Nathan Owens wrote:

> Same here, Google Meet / Zoom / Teams / FaceTime are great.
>
> Dave, can you post the commands to run those flent measurements? I also
> finally recreated that irtt-based scatterplot, attached.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:15 AM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>
>> That said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with
>> no
>> significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other participants)
>>
>> David Lang
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht wrote:
>>
>>> wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced
>>> latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to
>>> down.
>>>
>>> H/T David Lang for this data.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason
>>> <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
>> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test
>> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
>> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>>>>
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>>>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>>>>
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Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result

[David Lang]

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and the irtt

irtt client --dscp=0xfe -i3ms -d20m fremont.starlink.taht.net

On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, David Lang wrote:

> flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net 
> --te=upload_streams=1 -t dlangs-dishy tcp_nup
>
> flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net 
> --te=download_streams=1 -t dlangs-dishy tcp_ndown
>
> flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net 
> --te=upload_streams=8 -t dlangs-dishy-8 tcp_nup
>
> flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net 
> --te=download_streams=8 -t dlangs-dishy-8 tcp_ndown
>
> flent -l 300 --step-size=.05 --socket-stats -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t 
> dlangs-dishy rrul_be
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Nathan Owens wrote:
>
>> Same here, Google Meet / Zoom / Teams / FaceTime are great.
>> 
>> Dave, can you post the commands to run those flent measurements? I also
>> finally recreated that irtt-based scatterplot, attached.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:15 AM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>> 
>>> That said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with
>>> no
>>> significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other 
>>> participants)
>>> 
>>> David Lang
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht wrote:
>>> 
>>>> wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced
>>>> latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to
>>>> down.
>>>> 
>>>> H/T David Lang for this data.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason
>>>> <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
>>> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy 
>>> test
>>> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
>>> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>>>>>
>>>>>     --
>>>>>     I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>>>>> 
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>>>>>
>>>>>     Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>>     Starlink mailing list
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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Re: [Starlink] zoomready result

[Nathan Owens]

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Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO:

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
wrote:

> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test
> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>
> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>
>     --
>     I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>
>     Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>     _______________________________________________
>     Starlink mailing list
>     Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$
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Re: [Starlink] zoomready result

[Dave Taht]

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None of these web based tests run long enough to show the degradation
in starlink service that happens after a "speedtest" like interval. I
note that conceptually I don't have much problem with the idea of an
ISP throttling bandwidth for "hogs" after some interval, but I do have
a problem with that cost also being vastly increased delays whilst the
throttling happens. I talked to the attached plot in my recent talk
here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWViGcBlnm0&t=29m45s

When you are dependent on realtime comms, and sharing a link with
potentially many others, keeping queuing delays short no matter the
bandwidth, in a warzone, seems important.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
>
> Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO:
>
> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>
>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>>
>>     --
>>     I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>>
>>     Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Starlink mailing list
>>     Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$
>>
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Re: [Starlink] zoomready result

[Nathan Owens]

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Hmm, I’ll see if I can reproduce this, I don’t think I see the same
behavior.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> None of these web based tests run long enough to show the degradation
> in starlink service that happens after a "speedtest" like interval. I
> note that conceptually I don't have much problem with the idea of an
> ISP throttling bandwidth for "hogs" after some interval, but I do have
> a problem with that cost also being vastly increased delays whilst the
> throttling happens. I talked to the attached plot in my recent talk
> here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWViGcBlnm0&t=29m45s
>
> When you are dependent on realtime comms, and sharing a link with
> potentially many others, keeping queuing delays short no matter the
> bandwidth, in a warzone, seems important.
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
> >
> > Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO:
> >
> >
> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason <
> Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test
> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
> >>
> >> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
> >>
> >>     --
> >>     I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
> >>
> >>     Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> >>     _______________________________________________
> >>     Starlink mailing list
> >>     Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Starlink mailing list
> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>
>
>
> --
> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>

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Re: [Starlink] zoomready result

[Luis A. Cornejo]

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Nathan,

I this just on the starlink router? Over wifi or Ethernet? I just got my
square dishy last evening. My unloaded ping is in the 60s, but I haven’t
seen a dishy firmware upgrade yet. Although the router did update overnight.

-Luis

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:

> Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO:
>
>
> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason <
> Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
>> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test
>> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>
>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
>> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>>
>>     --
>>     I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>>
>>     Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Starlink mailing list
>>     Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$
>
>
>>
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Re: [Starlink] zoomready result

[Nathan Owens]

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This was with my own router (UDM Pro) via Ethernet.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:06 AM Luis A. Cornejo <luis.a.cornejo@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nathan,
>
> I this just on the starlink router? Over wifi or Ethernet? I just got my
> square dishy last evening. My unloaded ping is in the 60s, but I haven’t
> seen a dishy firmware upgrade yet. Although the router did update overnight.
>
> -Luis
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
>
>> Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO:
>>
>>
>> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason <
>> Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be
>>> great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test
>>> at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>>>
>>> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <
>>> starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>>>
>>>     Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Starlink mailing list
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>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$
>>
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