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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin <ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
	 Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	tsvwg IETF list <tsvwg@ietf.org>,  IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	 Glenn Fishbine <glenn@breakingpointsolutions.com>,
	 Measurement Analysis and Tools Working Group <mat-wg@ripe.net>,
	discuss <discuss@measurementlab.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] [mat-wg] [ippm] [Rpm] [M-Lab-Discuss] misery metrics & consequences
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:14:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw51DO1ABNeC0sJ=e_3V7Gxt-YjmiR2+SB_tj14fh-6ATg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F290B086-FDDC-4C9E-AD46-3BAC446BD8C4@cnet.fi.uba.ar>

To add some context to this enormous cross post of mine, to try and
get folk here to think further out of the box,
the FCC is due to announce how "consumer broadband labels" are
supposed to work on Nov 15th. Nobody knows
what they are going to announce.

Their first attempt was laughable, the laughs in this attempt (which
is admittedly much better), are subtler.

https://www.benton.org/blog/consumer-driven-broadband-label-design

I liked how they leveraged waveform's categories in this one.

I (cynically) loved how the delay and loss both grew in this example,
where loss should increase with less delay in most circumstances.
Perhaps consumers can be trained to look for high loss and low delay,
but I doubt it.

-- 
This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-26  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-21 21:04 [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2022-10-21 23:50 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-25  6:15   ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-22 20:18 ` [Starlink] [M-Lab-Discuss] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-22 21:00 ` [Starlink] " Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-22 22:18   ` Dave Taht
2022-10-23  0:17 ` [Starlink] [M-Lab-Discuss] " Glenn Fishbine
2022-10-23 11:57   ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 12:17     ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 12:26       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 13:11         ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 13:52           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 14:00             ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 14:08               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 14:08             ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 15:01               ` tom
2022-10-24 20:08     ` Christoph Paasch
2022-10-24 20:57       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-24 23:44         ` Christoph Paasch
2022-10-25  0:08           ` rjmcmahon
2022-10-25  0:12             ` rjmcmahon
2022-10-25  2:28           ` [Starlink] [tsvwg] " Neal Cardwell
2022-10-25 15:17             ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [tsvwg] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-31  8:59             ` [Starlink] [ippm] [tsvwg] [Rpm] " Ruediger.Geib
2022-10-25 15:50     ` [Starlink] [ippm] " J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
2022-10-26  8:14       ` Dave Taht [this message]
2022-10-25 16:07     ` J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
2022-10-25 17:02       ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [ippm] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-25 20:17         ` J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
2022-10-24 17:37   ` [Starlink] " Dave Collier-Brown

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