Re: [Starlink] SIGCOMM MIT paper: Starvation in e2e congestion control

[Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 3:37 PM David Lang via Starlink
<starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> To quote from Tom Clancy (Hunt for Red Octover IIRC), it's possible to both
> increase security and increase access as a marine at a gate beats a padlock for
> both

OT, dlang - how'd the wifi at SCALE go?

> In computer security especially there are many examples of things that increase
> security while decreasing error, increasing availablity, and (overall)
> decreasing cost.
>
> sometimes it's 'pick 2', but all to frequently people actually opt for 'none of
> the above' (i.e. sub-optimal in all areas)

OT also, but a really good read:
http://alexmckenzie.weebly.com/seeking-high-imp-reliability.html

>
> David Lang
>
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2022, David P. Reed via Starlink wrote:
>
> > 2) I absolutely hate folks who invent "theorems" that say you can have "any two of three" properties. It's become popular in computer systems research, but it actually creates a huge intellectual mess.
> > The CAP theorem, for example has some very peculiar definitions in order to make C, A, and P "independent" axes. Of course they are NOT independent in engineering practice. In fact, they aren't even "binary" - there's no "yes" or "no" to C, A or P - they are not even spectra that map to some increasing sequence.
> > Yes, you can't always get what you want. But you can almost always get what you need, and that is never a specific two out of three.
> > Especially not in queue management algorithms.
> > Goddamn cutesy anti-intellectuals._______________________________________________
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