From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 407123B29E for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2022 15:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id b5so23625399wrr.5 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 12:27:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=UL30YoHezW5aqSO655l+bnWtog0vwfF/SianxXlIDto=; b=genfRnTlq3JdehmHPvR6qbwG1AmaYI7JcVhX5Mt/vBBWSSlWyfq9hWd6ALJTpkrrGr EPDznMM6IutI5+b+TACpBO5LWz1V7EFIStlu8enbhs3a57qagwki0n+9T2a0+xZLg55v KdjwaddS5iFNGNW8kcs/NNqKp5gLwJS/QnWio3316barP9jEVJSR6rgpbYM3afZT5fYI DYxBK0TKBpD9h05XhESiFOzVnQsNqrMMuWkTO/EhlTJZf74V3dmqOjClVNqMpqUaqBsz cMzhEoUgY2rRGKDf8kBjtflTuaUPpEJ5LvSYJk4qJPCtcH5N0686mYh5jocqH3VZlkNM bHJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=UL30YoHezW5aqSO655l+bnWtog0vwfF/SianxXlIDto=; b=gLzYjx/J2qZnDv3b4WbG3jL5ucm2D9mY5f0mAStfaRU9d3I7nct3UiZyeFUPtSs6pl u7UsxAcuSnl4q+BmPr4GXrU2kj9zz6uqdOzXjuV2e/YCOLqmZNwoTIIiztUN7TrIjdyC 5rYns8RATuspbX5Q1W2eWvM1UXMzBNwtCEp9batqsK3ZU1JA3jzPZCJ/WuViS2madkqv RuqWRCaNqShBVz9H4ZkASkjE8NiEwfDV9yHf09dOy3tp1MuCTeQQBi3aKfDkO7yPYu9S eH3w2k0oZobX90zxj9IBcLy1BQz2hjmQWSDarsXfuj5S6Kx1TNgY2QzdlwwtL09fKL2X X8dQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo3j49bnkzveDB4UUSRetp3GsEIS/aP8qAeSd2t4aYOnQtRKu20v 9DZzOGA5rLzzRLazXRockCgvFkU7FJp/lNEq794rEbgF X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6an8ESXVRYAyvRVPcRzRU/7NqT5bhlDntS/78vydaU6Etifn9afY22mmqA5JQPwHhM4+DtalDkzSgiuvSqIA4= X-Received: by 2002:adf:db06:0:b0:220:7a57:6665 with SMTP id s6-20020adfdb06000000b002207a576665mr15836229wri.55.1662060421975; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 12:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7a357510-2d61-dd4a-a59f-3d7d4bd3727c@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <7a357510-2d61-dd4a-a59f-3d7d4bd3727c@auckland.ac.nz> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 12:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ulrich Speidel Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 19:27:03 -0000 In general I have been assuming that the starlink mac layer was "switched", didn't resemble ethernet much, and can run any protocol on top. there's a lot of conceptions for this, but my principal thought is that it looks like this: dst, src, otherminimalstuff, encrypted payload.. the link to the sat itself is public key encrypted, as well as each packet payload between dishy and ground.