From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F03363B29E for ; Thu, 4 May 2023 08:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f1950f5676so4753325e9.3 for ; Thu, 04 May 2023 05:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1683204364; x=1685796364; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=WY9EM5TL7ZxKgmXJyVs2DceDTHXugCYmHBPWJVQljxw=; b=F+fK4T968taWt+F1Fv2TrHVnCqBhaTHrvYEiMRSTaUZ2IbMuNEQ8zRb/VazakgtJBC JSCswer2It4ofYTtDMVXmKMVk14EhfuNl+J07cC8CaVYwStejO2aQT88a5Eqq1Glgljl /sapE/Bv2eJMlgxLZgDOeYgmDc+lvgBks9ZTa/ssUYhykpVUcM1nNqkRCRk8hGTWcL+V FVfrVuqgtS9K8p5ZZ5Q53T2CZrwTEVWRHwkDOQ/JTJFBqY8ftPUHtlN0c7SU4VyGDcnI Xn/Dfif1Eef7FdjXln8z7FtHZusyHc5opaIdF41s1rAGJSSPwxhut/nP00jYGCK0Q9pv L2KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683204364; x=1685796364; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WY9EM5TL7ZxKgmXJyVs2DceDTHXugCYmHBPWJVQljxw=; b=G1ziddf6PNinDDP78ngna7jvTjfhE8zZSAzHkVu63RXPQS5Km+RSWKrRMaiDXKofm2 qLG51SBXEXImRQgA7B0rxYwr/JEdGZhlqm1SWmA4igGr/f6GG06XGspfpjCoy3/5uakw TsMGxB9UgVRGo5Jgpw0gDwIaBg4iFttuipf32Pal5/IH+ZnYh4XU3rpE3f8M7GbJZs6L oXPuqVR4aI6WkrQEXhKi8IEbASLmGbWlIy+api+JLOi5oyyaIDlGRggWfm9Db9keU4d0 LW0yvONmhJJTVxK+pIKkDhOO8fR2hbUkIE8JE9jk6+rfSFRdFQ39as4KgnmURPi451iQ PN/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzE0OeNoITgGJXoXQ3fIUb2emovdt/U+q7t2LMMTfxWcbTgRPmh 79tiu+6+ogj2EXUaSPigzdcGxMYZM//FEPuuE8Z3lilp X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ62w2WIL17zWOoMoG9X4WTP221qtVz+Aa5qkzENBDR2AmllMWKApwb9AitxolLheP54XX0utnrIBhNY5CsQ8SU= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:ed0e:0:b0:3f1:7372:66d1 with SMTP id l14-20020a1ced0e000000b003f1737266d1mr17483602wmh.0.1683204363618; Thu, 04 May 2023 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <91393r13-o4r5-2n49-43q1-spr79r900q7q@ynat.uz> <2q95n7po-r6n1-2o92-527s-5r307nrp2r0q@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: <2q95n7po-r6n1-2o92-527s-5r307nrp2r0q@ynat.uz> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 05:45:52 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: Nathan Owens , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] 9 starlink flights planned for june X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2023 12:46:05 -0000 To break the bottlenecks you describe below, it seems like either export to countries otherwise attempting their own massive launch programs, or leverage of bases the USA has around the world, would be needed. On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM David Lang wrote: > > On Wed, 3 May 2023, Dave Taht wrote: > > > Thx as always for ever more links to information. They recently > > attempted launch from two pads on nearly the same day, I am wondering > > what the turnaround time is for boosters these days, and how much > > inventory they have. If they can improve their cycle time, 9/month > > seems achievable on the 3 pads they have, aside from conflicts with > > other launches. > > rykllan posts infographics for most launches (not just SpaceX) but for Sp= aceX > launches she shows the history of the booster used, including the turnaro= und > time for each launch > > https://twitter.com/_rykllan > > for tonight's launch, the refurb times have been 47, 44, 55, 55 48, 250 d= ays > (going back in time) > > SpaceX just leased SLC-6 at Vandenberg (Shuttle, Delta pad) and has state= d that > their plan is to set it up to be able to launch the Falcon Heavy and Falc= on 9 > > I think their biggest limiting factors are pad availability and landing b= arge > availability. > > > Random thought - other launch sites long term? This was built to great > > fanfare a while back > > > > https://www.spaceportamerica.com/business/lease-build/ > > Virgin Galactic has had a pause on their flights for a while. I understan= d that > they are soon going to do another employee only flight, but then expect t= o be > able to start carrying paying customers > > > Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiana_Space_Centre > > It's heavily used by the ESA, but with the fallout from the Ukraine war, = ESA > lost access to Russian rockets that were launched out of there. They are = almost > out of Ariane 5 rockets to launch from there. Ariane 6 was supposed to fl= y in > 2020, but they are now hoping to launch the first one late this year (or = next > year) > > > And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwajalein_Atoll > > Pegasus is pretty much dead, there was a mission a couple years ago that = was > carefully tailored to be a match for the Pegasus @$25m launch cost, but S= paceX > won the bid and used a dedicated Falcon 9 (it's not public what the winni= ng bid > cost, but we can infer from the Pegasus marketing material and their fail= ure to > win the bid) > > I think that's just too far from the ability to generate fuel for any ser= ious > launch capacity. > > David Lang > > > > > > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 3 May 2023, Nathan Owens via Starlink wrote: > >> > >>> FWIW, many of those are likely to slip, there are a number of commerc= ial > >>> launches in June/July. Depends if they re-shuffle Group 6 ahead of ot= her > >>> shells. > >>> > >>> Upcoming non-starlink launches from the cape: > >>> > >>> May: > >>> - Arabsat 7A (SLC-40) > >>> > >>> June: > >>> - CRS-28 (LC-39A) > >>> - WorldView Legion 1 & 2 (SLC-40) > >>> - Axiom 2 (LC-39A), TBD > >>> - Turksat 6A (39A or 40) > >>> - Astranis (39A or 40) > >>> - O3b MPower 5 & 6 (39A or 40) > >>> > >>> July: > >>> - Galaxy 37 (39A or 40) > >>> - USSF-52 (39A) > >>> - Euclid (39A or 40) > >>> - USSF-36 (39A or 40) > >>> - Thuraya 4-NGS (39A or 40) > >>> > >>> August: > >>> - Crew 7 (39A) > >>> - Echostar 24 (39A) > >>> > >>> Sept: > >>> - Axiom 3 (39A) > >>> - Polaris Dawn (39A) > >>> - Ovzon 3 (39A or 40) > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Starlink < > >>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> =E1=B8=BEind boggling. > >>>> > >>>> https://twitter.com/VirtuallyNathan/status/1653867999919751169 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Podcast: > >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705879391022711= 1937/ > >>>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Starlink mailing list > >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > > > --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227= 111937/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos