From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf1-x436.google.com (mail-pf1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 353E73B29D for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x436.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-690bd59322dso1370119b3a.3 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695157766; x=1695762566; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=t4rAwgISrEEwh0xRIuXuCTHlO22HiY0mfG+wXW7jH4s=; b=FQHG8UJsYib9ecsejgraSIthOIAFkzNOvM0ZsqEm0MqTWmKqlPqy+BqhyYWSDJmDTt PJM8zSmL9JljC0Nkls98YF48PWUgHWPQwVcPUIVv+aYjXzwuIPEPBnucxnvPZ8Xf/jx3 m9ayiJQlcceKFElYJuj7UntgIxPvoQZ1xhYEOhHL/mbw1jOrNXtj6lryIRQSkS2vhWqx uRfLaWAbLk/GXMQQdp0mWjegTYXCwxHvmyLGchoW9p6sK84HAW13XSINmMUmko1AyiWz If8pNQnPmGAtSiiUyapi4CBq/LezQJujPevYBcAK+VX/IvO2C+MEKOUtw1sVRCWSQsZa wztg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695157766; x=1695762566; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=t4rAwgISrEEwh0xRIuXuCTHlO22HiY0mfG+wXW7jH4s=; b=EZTsIY6Uw4Sb0VrE5MtUzoUU6ZK3dOS0ImH2Hgf0gG0Njr6q3zQ22uKa0qyEiOulpe o7EV1WlFzxPpS3xfomhLGOIJcrNvekdWfsJCWEqV13FPXohMailyQnT3sYNdoEVtySCo jRDP5orNKMOkGcf4ZR6JeLeIW3Yym0KrYHdY7GCKpesgUwSJ1dqvkxJ/CsxKKUpyw3Lx 8rnvdVRLcJb2TMg/dSVyd63kTKiHLX+LXV8bWTxQfvazlk/gudl2GCv/3OjxoMDPA7KW Ji+9eenXMupQPa/tYtjNIPqNHjxZYg+PgFvj1uLO6Uf0ouUuoLvnkcMn9YOVkQQvv8DX bNBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyDzLv3WhzwkGqigkaOB1oj/3a4aefGiSHcW+SIsJvEwtwmW63n QJgpn31fbeQa4YaKTQW9nvfGNO2HGAOdt5tCbOxpBkJqJ/E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGy/fibMABN2bsimhdLKuSTY7kWAvFDCxcDC0XaAJ6kFI4VUPXssEpgjGavSzBIwwE35BM1oUYk2QVQuCJdfnk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:8416:b0:135:110c:c6e1 with SMTP id c22-20020a056a20841600b00135110cc6e1mr918039pzd.7.1695157765124; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:09:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006db8630605bcac98" Subject: [Starlink] the website for the end of the world X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:09:27 -0000 --0000000000006db8630605bcac98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Carmack just kicked off a thoughtful thread over here: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1704160299845071328 (Among other things, I would rather like to see DNS services hosted native up there) Starting point: The idea that the internet was created to survive nuclear war is apocryphal; packet routing does provide some resilience, but you will lose internet in an apocalypse. Space based systems are interesting to consider =E2=80=94 they tend to be very reliant on ground systems, but it would be technically elegant if packets from one ground station to another were delivered directly, with no other ground interaction. LEO constellations probably need near constant ground help to update orbital ephemeris, and the orbits would decay in a few years anyway, but GEO sats could continue operating for decades if their control software didn=E2=80=99t preclude it.= There should be off grid (or even in-space) servers connected to the satellite networks at static IP addresses (so DNS isn=E2=80=99t required). The Websit= e For The End Of The World. What would a sparsely distributed group of apocalypse survivors want to see there? A Wikipedia mirror and some type of forum for communication, certainly. It seems like a good story element, but a little real world LARPing along those lines would be fun. The tragedy would be when all the terminals maintaining a fragile network of communication among humanity shut down due to the account billing servers being unavailable. --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --0000000000006db8630605bcac98 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John Carmack just kicked off a thoughtful thread over= here:


(Among other things, I wou= ld rather like to see DNS services hosted native up there)

Starting point:
The idea that the internet was created to s= urvive nuclear war is apocryphal; packet routing does provide some resilien= ce, but you will lose internet in an apocalypse. Space based systems are interesting to consider =E2=80=94 they tend to be v= ery reliant on ground systems, but it would be technically elegant if packe= ts from one ground station to another were delivered directly, with no othe= r ground interaction. LEO constellations probably need near constant ground help to update orbita= l ephemeris, and the orbits would decay in a few years anyway, but GEO sats= could continue operating for decades if their control software didn=E2=80= =99t preclude it. There should be off grid (or even in-space) servers connected to the satell= ite networks at static IP addresses (so DNS isn=E2=80=99t required). The Website For The End Of The World. What would a sparsely distributed group of apocalypse survivors want to see= there? A Wikipedia mirror and some type of forum for communication, certai= nly. It seems like a good story element, but a little real world LARPing al= ong those lines would be fun. The tragedy would be when all the terminals maintaining a fragile network o= f communication among humanity shut down due to the account billing servers= being unavailable.



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